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utee94 · « **Reply #12488 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:32:03 AM »

Or, perhaps the Observer Effect of actually tracking these deaths closer in real time than they have ever been tracked before, is the CAUSE of the deaths?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #12489 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:46:00 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 12, 2021, 10:32:03 AM

Or, perhaps the Observer Effect of actually tracking these deaths closer in real time than they have ever been tracked before, is the CAUSE of the deaths?

A policeman pulled over Werner Heisenberg.

The policeman asked him "Sir, I pulled you over for speeding. Do you know how fast you were going?"

Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am!"

utee94 · « **Reply #12490 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:49:23 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 12, 2021, 10:46:00 AM

A policeman pulled over Werner Heisenberg.

The policeman asked him "Sir, I pulled you over for speeding. Do you know how fast you were going?"

Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am!"

Science jokes. Yay!

Never forget, you can't spell geek without EE.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #12491 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:52:52 AM »

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/02/11/portage-theres-skepticism-pfizers-covid-vaccine-but-also-pride/4387478001/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=hero

No point I am trying to make- just cool human interest. Portage is next to Kalamazoo where I got my BBA (WMU).

847badgerfan · « **Reply #12492 on:** February 12, 2021, 11:02:23 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on February 12, 2021, 10:52:52 AM

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/02/11/portage-theres-skepticism-pfizers-covid-vaccine-but-also-pride/4387478001/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=hero

No point I am trying to make- just cool human interest. Portage is next to Kalamazoo where I got my BBA (WMU).

Pay wall.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #12493 on:** February 12, 2021, 11:39:15 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on February 12, 2021, 10:52:52 AM

No point I am trying to make- just cool human interest. Portage is next to Kalamazoo where I got my BBA (WMU).

How'd you become a Buckeye in a sea of Blue?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #12494 on:** February 12, 2021, 12:07:06 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on February 12, 2021, 11:39:15 AM

How'd you become a Buckeye in a sea of Blue?

Born in Ohio and live there till I was 12. I was kind of a Buckeye fan and then I moved to Michigan. And the way I got treated for being from Ohio and engrained me to be a Buckeye fan for life! And Michigan they never lose, they just run out of time don’t you know.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #12495 on:** February 12, 2021, 12:10:09 PM »

In Portage, there's skepticism of Pfizer's vaccine but also 'an amazing sense of pride'
Neal Rubin
The Detroit News

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Portage — At the closest bar to the Pfizerfactory that's busy saving the world, union wireman Brian "Stretch" Diewald was heavily invested last week in an after-work cheeseburger and a couple of beers.
As for the COVID-19 vaccine on the production line, he wasn't buying it.
Pfizer workers in Portage are getting the same banners, applause and free sub sandwiches as nurses and doctors in other ZIP codes. People wave at the supposedly anonymous unmarked trucks hauling vials of its vaccine to the airport. There's an appreciation, as City Manager Joseph La Margo put it, that "everyone knows Portage, Michigan, now."
The suddenly famous city of 50,000 sits along the southern edge of Kalamazoo and has good schools, pretty parks, a Target, a Home Depot and a dazzling aerospace museum. It has a 150-foot-long mural painted in the center lane near the drug company's main entrance that says "Thank You Pfizer Portage MI."
What it doesn't have, to the vexation of at least one politician, is an inside track on vaccines. But that reality does not bother Diewald, who has no interest in the doses that millions are reaching for.

Diewald was at a table at RJ's Sports Bar & Grill, which is one mile south of the Pfizer complex, which is suddenly the most important 1,300 acres in the United States. Its 3,000 jobs were already important to the city, and the employees and contractors among the regulars were already important to RJ's, but now the marquee out front of the tavern says "Thx Pfizer," and it's hard for most of us to think of any workers more essential.
Diewald, 61, said he knows a few who are at least tied.
He works for an electrical contractor that just installed two boilers in the Pfizer powerhouse and helped build the production line for the vaccine.

The real heroes are the construction workers who pulled this off," he said. "We make miracles happen. The whole community came together to make a miracle."
As for the vaccine, which went from need to needle in an astonishing 11 months, "these things usually take ... years," he said. "How'd this stuff get through the system so fast? For all we know, in three months, you're going to grow a tail."
He was kidding about the appendage, mostly. More seriously, Xavier Root pondered taking the vaccine, then turned it down.
Spend a day in Portage and chances are that everyone you meet will have a connection to COVID-19. Many will also have a link to Pfizer Global Supply, the city's largest employer.
Root, 23, works for a Pfizer contractor, an insulation company. He's been badged there, to use the insiders' term, for a year or so, having first taken a mandatory safety and sanitation course. His concern with the vaccine was a possible adverse reaction, though it doesn't involve a live virus.

Another no thanks, at least for now: David Vaughn, 58, who had COVID-19 in November and "felt like I swallowed a bucket of glass."
Vaughn owns an asphalt company, and "I don’t buy the first paver that comes off the line," he said. "I’m not going to get the first vaccine, either. I’ll see how it works."
Vaughn also owns a company called Trans American Striping, and it was his crew of four that spent seven hours painting the 50-yard-long thank-you note down the middle of Portage Road. It could have been a $3,000 job, but when the city called for an estimate, he said he’d do it for free.
He might not want Pfizer's product yet, but "I know people inside that building are working tirelessly to save everyone," he said. "All I have to do is paint a picture on the road. That seems like a pretty fair trade."

'Amazing sense of pride'
Portage is enough of a small town that if your 5- or 6-year-old has a pandemic birthday with no party, the fire department will send a truck past your house to honk the horn and wail a celebratory siren.
It's enough of a city that a number of Portage Public Schools students qualified for free lunch even before the coronavirus. Lost jobs and reduced hours spiked that figure, and then came summer — so swarms of volunteers made sack lunches for parents to swing by and collect.
Some 67% of elementary students have returned to the classroom, said district spokeswoman Michelle Karpinski. The figure for middle and high school is 32%.
The numbers might go up for the final quarter because vaccination for teachers began Wednesday — with the Pfizer serum, not the Moderna version from Massachusetts.
"Everybody’s excited about that," Karpinski said. Hometown pride counts, even if proximity doesn't equal availability.
Kalamazoo County Health Officer Jim Rutherford ran two vaccination clinics last week at the Expo Center, a 90,000-square-foot public facility whose dozens of canceled events in the past year included the model railroad swap meet, reptile and exotic pet expo, rock and gem show and Hippie Fest.

His team served 4,500 people with doses from both companies, "and I could easily double or triple that," he said. "I've got the space and human resources. What I need is the vaccine."
That's an observation, not a complaint. Rutherford, 57, understands the global pull on Pfizer, which just boosted its projected production for 2021 from 1.3 billion to 2 billion doses. But not everyone grasps the concept:
"I had one of our elected officials ask me, 'Why can't we just call Pfizer?'"
The factory not quite 6 miles away is running three shifts, nonstop, weekends and holidays included. Pfizer has added suppliers since December, a spokesman said, improved production lines and doubled batch sizes.
The finished products, bound far and wide, roll past the Air Zoo Aerospace and Science Museum, whose exhibits flew high and wild.

The Air Zoo holds more than 100 aircraft and spacecraft, including an F-117 Nighthawkstealth jet that was trucked from Nevada for restoration. It was designed to be undetectable, much like the plain white semitrailers loaded with cartons of vaccine and dry ice.
"People know when they're shipping out," said Air Zoo CEO Troy Thrash, 50. Along Portage Road, "we wave."
Closed by the pandemic from mid-March to mid-July, the home of a 1916 SPAD VII biplane and a 1941 P-47D Thunderbolt has adapted to changing times. None of the 26 full-time and 50 part-time employees have missed a paycheck, Thrash said, but the operators of the four idled indoor rides have been reassigned to cleaning and sanitation.
"This is huge for our community," he said — not the coronavirus, which is universal, but the vaccine, which is as much in the neighborhood as the Chow Hound pet supply store. "There's an amazing sense of pride."

Proud to be a 'Portager'
At Chow Hound, in a Westnedge Avenue strip mall, Assistant Manager Allison Jones said she had a brush with COVID-19 in December when her boyfriend was afflicted. As she spoke, she had a brush with the hefty free-range store cat, Hazel, who walked past and rubbed against her leg.
Her beau, Jones said, was weak, wheezy and sleepy for 10 days or so and missed work at a bleacher factory for two weeks. Jones, 22, never tested positive, but she stayed home for a month: "Being in retail, they make you jump through more hoops."
Otherwise, she said, the pandemic doesn't often come up, but it has struck her that it would be nice to pull into the Pfizer loading dock and get a shot.
Six doors down at Supercuts, Faith Wells said she had a customer so noteworthy a few weeks ago that she went home and called her mother in rural Ohio.
An actual scientist from Pfizer was in her chair: "The sweetest little lady. It was a real big honor."
Wells, 21, carries extra hand sanitizer in her purse and car. Much of her shift is spent wiping down work areas with disinfectant from a clear bottle with a pink spray top.
She moved to Kalamazoo a year or so ago to get a taste of city life, but then the pandemic took a gouge out of her income and she and her boyfriend bought a mobile home outside of town. She lives with Root, the Pfizer contractor who declined the vaccine.
"He has mixed feelings," she said. "He's literally making history now. In 10 years, he can tell his kids, 'This is what your dad did.'"
He just can't bring himself to trust the vaccine, even as a health professional like Rutherford pointed out that "vaccines are part of daily life."

Any irritation or soreness, Rutherford said, "is just an indication your body's doing what it's supposed to."
La Margo, the city manager, only wishes it had shown up a bit sooner.
His mother-in-law in Illinois contracted COVID-19 in January and shook it off in seven days. His father-in-law has been on a ventilator for two weeks.
Yard signs in Portage don't help him in suburban Chicago, but La Margo, 50, is heartened every time he sees one.
"You're talking about people working around the clock, taking time away from their families," he said. "I could not be prouder to be a Portager."

He came to Michigan in November 2019, three months ahead of the pandemic. Everything since the virus hit has been a crisis.
"Now," he said, "you can see the light at the end of the tunnel," and it's not an oncoming train.
It's a truck rumbling away from the factory.
nrubin@detroitnews.com
Twitter: @nealrubin_dn

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Riffraft · « **Reply #12496 on:** February 12, 2021, 12:49:20 PM »

Quote from: Gigem on February 11, 2021, 12:34:43 PM

Good question. After thinking about it, without a doubt I would have gotten the vaccine. The reasoning I use is that you don't know how your body will react to COVID until you've had it. Although we all know it affects more of the older crowd there are people that are young that are dying. And so far the side effects of the vaccine seem very minimal. I guess now I'm really afforded the time to make a decision, but I never take a flu shot either. FWIW I'm in my mid 40's, relatively healthy (no diabetes etc, just a kinda fat) and active.

Probably some day I will start taking the flu shot as well. Anecdotally my father in law, at the behest of his physician, took the shingles vaccine about 3-4 years ago and has been suffering with bad rashes/skin problems ever since. On his face, his ears, all over his body. For years now. So just because something has been deemed as safe does not mean zero side effects. The rash started immediately after he had the shot, so it's not unrelated. My son had the chicken pox vaccine and still got chicken pox. No big deal, all of us over 30 probably all had it.

My mom was one of 13 (at the time) in the country who got Shingles from the Shingles Vaccine. She was examined and interviewed by the CDC. It was quite the to do.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #12497 on:** February 12, 2021, 01:40:47 PM »

Quote from: Riffraft on February 12, 2021, 12:49:20 PM

My mom was one of 13 (at the time) in the country who got Shingles from the Shingles Vaccine. She was examined and interviewed by the CDC. It was quite the to do.

It should be pointed out that it's medically impossible to get COVID from the COVID vaccine.

There have been multiple vaccines throughout history where the vaccines carried a small risk of developing the disease you're vaccinating against because they used the virus itself in the vaccine (usually a weakened or attenuated form of it when they deliberately used live virus).

However, the COVID vaccine does not contain any form of the actual virus.

Obviously I know that you didn't claim that you can get COVID from the vaccine, and I don't think anyone here HAS claimed such. But given that some other vaccines do carry this risk I thought it worthwhile to point out that it is 100% known that this risk doesn't exist here.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #12498 on:** February 12, 2021, 02:04:57 PM »

Thank you B R A D.

FearlessF · « **Reply #12499 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:55:05 PM »

The nation’s top public health agency said Friday that in-person schooling can resume safely with masks, social distancing and other strategies, and vaccination of teachers, while important, is not a prerequisite for reopening.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released its long-awaited road map for getting students back to classrooms in the middle of a pandemic that has killed nearly 480,000 people in the U.S. But the agency’s guidance is just that — it cannot force schools to reopen, and CDC officials were careful to say they are not calling for a mandate that all U.S. schools be reopened.

Officials said there is strong evidence now that schools can reopen, especially at lower grade levels.

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-in-person-schooling-4265da944bb3b6c863db6ca6a03caa58

utee94 · « **Reply #12500 on:** February 12, 2021, 09:03:33 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on February 12, 2021, 08:55:05 PM

The nation’s top public health agency said Friday that in-person schooling can resume safely with masks, social distancing and other strategies, and vaccination of teachers, while important, is not a prerequisite for reopening.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released its long-awaited road map for getting students back to classrooms in the middle of a pandemic that has killed nearly 480,000 people in the U.S. But the agency’s guidance is just that — it cannot force schools to reopen, and CDC officials were careful to say they are not calling for a mandate that all U.S. schools be reopened.

Officials said there is strong evidence now that schools can reopen, especially at lower grade levels.

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-in-person-schooling-4265da944bb3b6c863db6ca6a03caa58

This all seems really silly and unnecessarily political.

Schools here have been open-- safely-- for 6 months. Who are they trying to kid?

FearlessF · « **Reply #12501 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:05:34 PM »

teacher's unions as strong as the egg lobby

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