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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12166 on: January 31, 2021, 08:35:18 AM »
Yeah, there's about 400,000 fewer potential victims.
The reduction in US population is 400,000/327 million, on any percentage basis not something that can possibly impact the number of people who contracted the flu.

The reduction in flu this year is attributed to more folks getting the vaccine (it wasn't a huge bump), the vaccine being more effective, and distancing, maybe the latter is the big factor.

Flu transmission is likely very similar to COVID transmission and enough people are avoiding large gatherings to cut flu transmission.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12167 on: January 31, 2021, 09:14:19 AM »
Yeah, there's about 400,000 fewer potential victims.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12168 on: January 31, 2021, 09:17:28 AM »
To assert that fewer people get the flu now because 400,000 died is pandering of course, silliness of the first order.

And there is no one here susceptible to that level of pandering anyway.

The flu season is dramatically low, and that's a good thing.  We can see 50,000 deaths due to flu in a season, rough average, usually older folks.  That doesn't offset 400,000 of course, it's just a comment that at least one bad thing is less bad than usual.

I wonder at times how many would have died of COVID if we let the scientists manage things entirely.  I don't know of course, but it's probably not much less than what happened.  We probably would not have put recovering COVID patients in nursing homes.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12169 on: January 31, 2021, 09:37:37 AM »
To assert that fewer people get the flu now because 400,000 died is pandering of course, silliness of the first order.

And there is no one here susceptible to that level of pandering anyway.

The flu season is dramatically low, and that's a good thing.  We can see 50,000 deaths due to flu in a season, rough average, usually older folks.  That doesn't offset 400,000 of course, it's just a comment that at least one bad thing is less bad than usual.

I wonder at times how many would have died of COVID if we let the scientists manage things entirely.  I don't know of course, but it's probably not much less than what happened.  We probably would not have put recovering COVID patients in nursing homes.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12170 on: January 31, 2021, 10:05:23 AM »
With federal leadership effectively nonexistent over the last year, it's tough to say.  My thought would be clearer goals and plans so it's not just everyone somewhat randomly coming up with their own plans.  Schools especially have been all over the place.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12171 on: January 31, 2021, 10:14:52 AM »
pretty sure the states are random enough to come up with their own plans regardless of federal leadership

I don't see how a decent percentage of cases and/or deaths could have been prevented by the Feds unless drastic measures to shut down the entire country  were forced on states
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12172 on: January 31, 2021, 10:16:00 AM »
With federal leadership effectively nonexistent over the last year, it's tough to say.  My thought would be clearer goals and plans so it's not just everyone somewhat randomly coming up with their own plans.  Schools especially have been all over the place. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12173 on: January 31, 2021, 10:17:03 AM »
It's all Cuomo's fault, obv. :96:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12174 on: January 31, 2021, 10:18:49 AM »
With federal leadership effectively nonexistent over the last year, it's tough to say.  My thought would be clearer goals and plans so it's not just everyone somewhat randomly coming up with their own plans.  Schools especially have been all over the place. 
This is a state matter and there has been all the federal leadership legally possible

What federal leadership changes has the new President instituted 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12175 on: January 31, 2021, 10:19:34 AM »
The fact that Trump dominated the "news" at the beginning doesn't mean there wasn't Federal advice obviously.  I am pondering a situation where the President said little about it and how that might have changed "area under the curve".  I think the situation would have been better, at least optically, but the area might have ended up about the same place.  His comments about various treatments took the limelight, but there was good advice that got submerged in the reportage.

It's not as if Biden has some new plan either.  We just don't have Trump saying his gig.

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« Reply #12176 on: January 31, 2021, 10:22:45 AM »
Biden's new message is to wear masks for 100 days

I'm quite sure this will have a great effect
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12177 on: January 31, 2021, 10:28:17 AM »
With federal leadership effectively nonexistent over the last year, it's tough to say.  My thought would be clearer goals and plans so it's not just everyone somewhat randomly coming up with their own plans.  Schools especially have been all over the place. 

What changes would you have suggested on schools?  If #FollowTheScience is so monumentally important-- and I certainly believe it is-- then "the science" from local, regional, national, and global evidence, is clear that in-school transmission is minimal, and at schools grades K-8 almost nonexistent. 

So if the previous presidential administration had mandated that all schools in all states be open for 100% in-person learning, how do you think the state governments in... say... California, NY, etc. would have taken it?

Not to mention that such a mandate isn't even legal, nor should it be.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12178 on: January 31, 2021, 10:28:57 AM »
Biden's new message is to wear masks for 100 days

I'm quite sure this will have a great effect
We have been told to wear a mask for months now of course.  It's common where I live.  My main complaint about Trump in this field was how his utterances would dominate the news cycle and submerged real advice that was also provided.  But without that, I think the virus would largely have run its course about the same.

One can look at the European experience and see how the virus takes off even if countries are centrally controlled and "listening  to scientists".

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12179 on: January 31, 2021, 10:30:05 AM »
AS for schools, look at France.  They had an economic shutdown but kept schools open and their new cases went from over 50,000 to under 10,000 very quickly.

It's back up now.

 

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