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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11648 on: December 27, 2020, 04:16:22 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11649 on: December 27, 2020, 07:42:26 PM »
Hate citing this source, but damn. F China.

How China Censored Covid-19 - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11650 on: December 28, 2020, 09:34:24 AM »
I hate china
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11651 on: December 28, 2020, 10:12:19 AM »
Are we putting in too much hope in this first vaccine? Accounting for only older, less transmissible strains? And this with a new, more transmissible mutation surfacing in the UK earlier this month? Meaning even if we get vaccinated we’re still facing an uphill climb against further, inevitable mutations?

Rather than posting the video, I’ll paste commentary commentary from science journalist Dr Laurie Garrett during her cable news appearance last week:

Regarding variant strains: “I have to give you bad news, this is the fourth mutation…the first big mutational event occurred after the virus jumped to Italy, sometime in February or March. It was that very transmissible strain that made it to New York. The second mutational event occurred this summer when the virus somehow got into mink farms…the third one appeared in October and it is a significant change. It seems to make the virus more transmissible, and there are some indications from the South African Ministry of Health just today that it may also be more virulent in young adults. It’s spreading faster in younger adults and it seems to cause more severe disease in younger adults. And then we have the British strain, which was first noticed apparently in September. It has really swept the UK over the last three weeks. It now accounts for about forty percent of new cases in the UK and seems about 71% more transmissible compared to the routine strains of COVID-19…We may not be looking at a more virulent strain, but certainly a faster spreading strain. One set of studies seems to indicate once people are infected, their bodies actually start producing far more virus…they’re more likely to be infectious to those around them.”

Regarding the vaccine: “The general statement that’s being made by all parties associated with health departments and so on is it looks like the vaccine is going to work out. But we don’t actually have data to answer that question. It is interesting studies on using the routine nucleic acid tests to see if they are infected are missing this virus. They are tests that target the so-called S-Protein, the spike you see sticking out of the sort of ball-shaped virus. That protein is the key mutational event that seems to make this more transmissible. That protein is what logs on to a human cell and then opens the door and then the virus goes into the cell. Well it’s also what your antibodies recognize, and it does appear that at least those kinds of tests that target finding that S-Protein are missing a lot of the British infections.”

tl;dr: COVID is mutating beyond the effectiveness of what the vaccine can keep up with.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11652 on: December 28, 2020, 10:26:15 AM »


tl;dr: COVID is mutating beyond the effectiveness of what the vaccine can keep up with.

either the vaccines work against the latest strain or they dont

anything else is just guessing

we should know within a few weeks
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11653 on: December 28, 2020, 11:22:54 AM »
The weather here yesterday was about perfect.  We walked with my son in law to brunch and then to Ponce City Market.  Everyone was wearing a mask but the place was packed, no way to distance.  We left fairly quickly and walked south on the Beltline which also was packed.  The breweries and restaurants that now line that area were packed, seated outdoors.  The patios face west so they have sun against a slight chill.  I don't get the feeling people are "staying home" around here.

My son likes it, though he's very careful, because SF is shuttered and much here is open.  He just left for Cincy to see friends.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11654 on: December 28, 2020, 11:27:56 AM »
people aren't staying home and masks are not effective - distancing is effective, but not often practiced
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11655 on: December 28, 2020, 11:34:34 AM »
Interesting study in Nature.com on Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 in Wuhan.

This is what I found interesting

The citywide nucleic acid screening of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan recruited nearly 10 million people, and found no newly confirmed cases with COVID-19. The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases was very low, and there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic positive persons to traced close contacts. There were no asymptomatic positive cases in 96.4% of the residential communities.

Previous studies have shown that asymptomatic individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus were infectious3, and might subsequently become symptomatic4. Compared with symptomatic patients, asymptomatic infected persons generally have low quantity of viral loads and a short duration of viral shedding, which decrease the transmission risk of SARS-CoV-25. In the present study, virus culture was carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

Here is the link

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11656 on: December 28, 2020, 11:43:56 AM »
Interesting study in Nature.com on Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 in Wuhan.

This is what I found interesting

The citywide nucleic acid screening of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan recruited nearly 10 million people, and found no newly confirmed cases with COVID-19. The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases was very low, and there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic positive persons to traced close contacts. There were no asymptomatic positive cases in 96.4% of the residential communities.

Previous studies have shown that asymptomatic individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus were infectious3, and might subsequently become symptomatic4. Compared with symptomatic patients, asymptomatic infected persons generally have low quantity of viral loads and a short duration of viral shedding, which decrease the transmission risk of SARS-CoV-25. In the present study, virus culture was carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

Here is the link

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

This is what I found interesting... and damning.



 In addition, we would like to thank the National Social Science Foundation of China (Grant No. 18ZDA085) for supporting the fund.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11657 on: December 28, 2020, 11:56:42 AM »
This is what I found interesting... and damning.



In addition, we would like to thank the National Social Science Foundation of China (Grant No. 18ZDA085) for supporting the fund.
So you are saying that they are falsifying the data because of the funding source.  

I use to work with a number of scientist who received funding from a variety of sources that many might concern hoping for a certain result from the research. I can tell you that none of them would have jeopardize their reputation within the scientific community for the money.

That said I don't know if these researchers feel the same way. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11658 on: December 28, 2020, 11:59:18 AM »
Reputation is everything in science for the vast majority.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11659 on: December 28, 2020, 12:04:38 PM »
Reputation is everything in science for the vast majority.
Yes, yes it is.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11660 on: December 28, 2020, 12:11:25 PM »
lost my good friend, Chip, to the COVID today

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11661 on: December 28, 2020, 12:20:10 PM »
I don't view "Chinese authorities" as being synonymous with "scientists" and reputation.

 

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