header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

 (Read 771025 times)

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37597
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11564 on: December 21, 2020, 10:16:13 AM »
doesn't piss me off any differently than walking back to my car because I've forgotten anything else

I've been doing that since I started driving and it happens more frequently as I grow older
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11565 on: December 21, 2020, 10:22:58 AM »
Yesterday's reporting:



Wisconsin:

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18892
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11566 on: December 21, 2020, 03:25:23 PM »
badge, tell us why there haven't been any travel restrictions from the UK yet.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11567 on: December 21, 2020, 03:44:28 PM »
Speaking of the UK... Here's what I've been reading:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/21/1015315/the-uk-is-spooking-everyone-with-its-new-covid-19-strain-heres-what-scientists-know/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-new-strain-uk-what-we-know/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/what-is-the-new-covid-19-strain-that-shut-down-england-u-k.html
https://time.com/5923758/new-covid-strain-uk/

The tl;dr version:


  • It is a more significant mutation than most others seen, with several more genetic locations changed compared to previous mutations. Critically, many of these mutations are on the spike protein, which is what the vaccine works against. 
  • At this time it appears to be more transmissible than previous strains, perhaps by a significant amount. Which is why people are locking down travel from the UK right now.
  • At this time there is no indication it is either more or less deadly than previous strains. 
  • There is concern that some of the mutations may have been an evolutionary response to antiviral drugs, helping the virus to avoid immune response. Not enough is really known about it yet to be sure. 
  • The relevant epidemiologists interviewed said that it is highly likely that existing vaccines will likely still protect against this, despite the fact that it has mutated on the spike protein. Obviously, the more mutations you see, the more likely it will escape protection, but the vaccine is believed to be rather robust. 

IMHO, this is one reason [on top of so many others] that "natural herd immunity" was a bad idea. Viruses mutate, and the more hosts and the wider the spread is, the more opportunity they have to mutate. Avoiding spread as much as possible until a vaccine can be developed ensures that you only have one monster to fight. If it's allowed to spread too long, unchecked, you might realize you've got three or four different monsters that all require different vaccines by the time you're done. Hopefully that hasn't happened here. 


betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11568 on: December 21, 2020, 03:49:18 PM »
badge, tell us why there haven't been any travel restrictions from the UK yet.
Possibly because it first emerged in September so it's almost certainly here?

And Europe locking down the UK might just be sour grapes over Brexit? 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11569 on: December 21, 2020, 04:18:46 PM »
Possibly because it first emerged in September so it's almost certainly here?

And Europe locking down the UK might just be sour grapes over Brexit?
Yes to both.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18892
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11570 on: December 21, 2020, 04:24:20 PM »
It was already here when we banned travel from China.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11571 on: December 21, 2020, 04:26:45 PM »
It was here in late October/early November. The China travel ban was widely criticized at the time by many.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11572 on: December 21, 2020, 04:29:09 PM »
Wisconsin update for today:



U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11573 on: December 21, 2020, 04:34:31 PM »
Fauci Says We Must "Keep an Eye On" the Mutation

During an interview with CNN, he explained that the US must "without a doubt keep an eye on it," but added that, "we don't want to overreact." He also revealed that if the matter is brought up during Monday's White House coronavirus task force meeting, he would advise against suspending flights from the UK. 

"Follow it carefully, but don't overreact to it," Fauci said about the new strain of the virus. While he is confident officials in the UK are doing the right thing by monitoring this new strain, he isn't criticizing countries who have tightened up restrictions; he just doesn't believe it is necessary. 

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield agrees. Monday morning, Brett Giroir, the White House's coronavirus testing czar, told CNN's John Berman on New Day that travel restrictions were not currently on the table. "I think we're waiting for CDC kind of recommendations. Last night, talking to Dr. (Robert) Redfield, there was not a recommendation for that. Again, every hour we get more information. I think, as we have done and we need to do, we need to listen to the best experts," he said. "I think everything is possible. We just need to put everything on the table, have an open scientific discussion and make a best recommendation," he said when asked if a travel ban was possible.

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11574 on: December 21, 2020, 04:47:56 PM »
badge, tell us why there haven't been any travel restrictions from the UK yet.
It was already here when we banned travel from China. 
Dude... Seriously? 

Anyone with a pulse sees exactly what fight you're trying to start... And exactly why any fight that results if people take the bait will just get posts deleted by 94. Let's not go down that road.

Frankly, the answer is that locking down travel hasn't worked... Anywhere. Not even New Zealand, which should be foolproof. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/

They're a low population island nation and while they've done pretty well, even locked down their borders hasn't 100% stopped cases there. 

This variant is already spreading all over the world. It's already out of the UK. Locking them down now won't do squat.

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11575 on: December 21, 2020, 05:01:57 PM »

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18892
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11576 on: December 21, 2020, 08:29:49 PM »
It was here in late October/early November. The China travel ban was widely criticized at the time by many.
Let me underline the part that matters.  And I'll nix the part that has nothing to do with the point being made.  Stop mimicking the talking heads on the extremist "news entertainment" networks, please.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9341
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11577 on: December 21, 2020, 08:40:32 PM »
Let me underline the part that matters.  And I'll nix the part that has nothing to do with the point being made.  Stop mimicking the talking heads on the extremist "news entertainment" networks, please.
and just what is your point

ok it was here before we banned travel from China so what

again what is your point
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.