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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11074 on: November 30, 2020, 02:56:02 PM »
Have the 2 EE's on here heard that the CDC model thinks up to 100,000,000 US citizens have had Covid, TWICE?
I might buy the first part but not the twice part
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11075 on: November 30, 2020, 03:00:24 PM »
Have the 2 EE's on here heard that the CDC model thinks up to 100,000,000 US citizens have had Covid, TWICE?
Yeah, just looked through the link posted above. Very interesting. Good if true.

Their multiplier between actual and confirmed cases is about 8x. I've long thought that anything above 10x is starting to peg my BS detector. 8x is within the plausible range IMHO. As I'm not an epidemiologist, I have no argument with their number.

Bear in mind, though, that the CDC model has not said anything about what's happened post Sep 30. Their model only accounts for what happened up until then, and had a total number of ~53M.

It was the NPR journalist who added this:

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Since then, the CDC's tally of confirmed infections has increased to 12.5 million. So if the model's ratio still holds, the estimated total would now be greater than 95 million, leaving about 71% of the population uninfected.
That's the sort of assumption a journalist will make and an epidemiologist won't commit to. 

For example, if availability and use of testing, both for symptomatic folks and for those who are asymptomatic and want "convenience" tests for travel/etc are more prevalent, the multiplier between actual and confirmed cases would be expected to decrease.

On the opposite end, the higher test positivity rate that we've experienced in many areas in the current spike suggests a higher "missed positive" rate. Low positivity suggests you're over-testing and thus not missing very many cases. High positivity means you're not testing enough so there are probably a lot more missed cases. 

So maybe 100M is a good number, or maybe it isn't. But the CDC certainly didn't come up with the 100M number.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11076 on: November 30, 2020, 03:02:50 PM »
Anecdata: my wife says they've sent a bunch of patients for tests today. If she's bringing it up, it's an outlier compared to the usual number of patients from her practice needing tests.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11078 on: November 30, 2020, 03:11:22 PM »
what is cornsidered Severe?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11079 on: November 30, 2020, 03:13:55 PM »
I might buy the first part but not the twice part
The twice part is those two making fun of me with my predictions of how many people have had this thing, that we don't know about.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11080 on: November 30, 2020, 03:14:20 PM »
what is cornsidered Severe?
Probably going to the hospital??
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11081 on: November 30, 2020, 03:15:28 PM »
that's severe enough for me
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11082 on: November 30, 2020, 03:15:56 PM »
Yeah, just looked through the link posted above. Very interesting. Good if true.

Their multiplier between actual and confirmed cases is about 8x. I've long thought that anything above 10x is starting to peg my BS detector. 8x is within the plausible range IMHO. As I'm not an epidemiologist, I have no argument with their number.

Bear in mind, though, that the CDC model has not said anything about what's happened post Sep 30. Their model only accounts for what happened up until then, and had a total number of ~53M.

It was the NPR journalist who added this:
That's the sort of assumption a journalist will make and an epidemiologist won't commit to.

For example, if availability and use of testing, both for symptomatic folks and for those who are asymptomatic and want "convenience" tests for travel/etc are more prevalent, the multiplier between actual and confirmed cases would be expected to decrease.

On the opposite end, the higher test positivity rate that we've experienced in many areas in the current spike suggests a higher "missed positive" rate. Low positivity suggests you're over-testing and thus not missing very many cases. High positivity means you're not testing enough so there are probably a lot more missed cases.

So maybe 100M is a good number, or maybe it isn't. But the CDC certainly didn't come up with the 100M number.


Agree with this pretty much word for word.

It still seems to be positive news in general, but I do question the "extending the ratio" assumption.  There are a lot of factors that drive the ratio, which may or may not still hold when the raw numbers increase.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11083 on: November 30, 2020, 03:31:00 PM »
I think it's more like 150,000,000.

Twice.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11084 on: November 30, 2020, 03:34:12 PM »
If we're at 150,000,000, we should be getting closer to herd immunity and make it harder and harder to continue spreading. 

Let's see where we're at in 2 weeks as all the post-Thanskgiving numbers start coming in. If we don't see a continuance of the spike, you very well might be right. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11085 on: November 30, 2020, 03:39:09 PM »
Yeah if we're truly at 150,000,000 it would severely slow the spread.  Herd immunity isn't going to look like a step function, it's going to diminish at a slow exponential decay rate until it pretty much stops.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11086 on: November 30, 2020, 03:39:25 PM »
There will certainly be a lot of testing this week, so we'll know soon.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11087 on: November 30, 2020, 05:14:52 PM »
Yeah, the math starts to slow transmission rates around 50% of folks resistant.  You are contagious and run into 4 people, two of who are resistant, and two get sick, rather than four.


 

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