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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10766 on: November 18, 2020, 07:36:10 PM »
You might get it out of China, but you'll not get it made here.

It'll just move to other LCC (low cost countries).
It’s been leaving China slowly for awhile now. We turned China into the power it is today. Big mistake.

And why can’t we have it made here? Greed. Simple as that. Why was it ever allowed to go over there in the first place? Greed.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10767 on: November 18, 2020, 07:59:14 PM »
Next July, my wife is going to be the matron of honor at the wedding of her best friend from grad school. The groom-to-be just tested positive for COVID. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10768 on: November 18, 2020, 08:11:51 PM »
when it becomes a threat to our security the Gov might consider encouraging production in this country

some things just cant be left up to other countries

and never say never
Well, the "national security" argument may make sense in certain cases, but it likely isn't as often as it's invoked.

And I could regale you with tales of how recent laws on the subject are filled with loopholes that render them toothless... But that's a discussion over a beer, not on a public internet forum.
It’s been leaving China slowly for awhile now. We turned China into the power it is today. Big mistake.

And why can’t we have it made here? Greed. Simple as that. Why was it ever allowed to go over there in the first place? Greed.
It's been leaving China because China is increasingly no longer a LCC (low cost country). China's been getting richer, so manufacturing that is headcount-dependent has been moving to lower cost areas. 

But the question of why things are made elsewhere is simple... Consumers make decisions based on price, rather than country of origin, when all other things are equal. An American company can sell widget X for $20, but if a foreign competitor sells the same widget for $12.50, the consumer will speak. So... The American company seeks to do what is necessary (overseas production) to compete with that $12.50 price. 

Mercantilism was killed by Adam Smith and David Ricardo several centuries ago. But its zombie continues to plague us all. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10769 on: November 18, 2020, 09:04:50 PM »
Well, the "national security" argument may make sense in certain cases, but it likely isn't as often as it's invoked.

And I could regale you with tales of how recent laws on the subject are filled with loopholes that render them toothless... But that's a discussion over a beer, not on a public internet forum.It's been leaving China because China is increasingly no longer a LCC (low cost country). China's been getting richer, so manufacturing that is headcount-dependent has been moving to lower cost areas.
Do you remember when the Oil Cartel had us by the gonads

Then we decided to utilize technology and become self sufficient 

We now produce more oil then we use

We can do the same thing with medical equipment and supplies

Are we going to be dependent on China for materials necessary for production of vaccines

if so then thats not good

Im not saying everything needs to be produced here just high priority items
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10770 on: November 19, 2020, 12:24:26 AM »
Do you remember when the Oil Cartel had us by the gonads

Then we decided to utilize technology and become self sufficient

We now produce more oil then we use

We can do the same thing with medical equipment and supplies

Are we going to be dependent on China for materials necessary for production of vaccines

if so then thats not good

Im not saying everything needs to be produced here just high priority items
This is really off-topic. If you live long enough everything changes. It has with oil.
The next change is just about upon us. Within 5-years production of electric vehicles will dramatically increase. As production increases, prices of EVs will decrease.  Fossil fuel companies will lose influence over our policymaking over time in the same manner as tobacco companies did, but they are not going down without a fight. Iowa and Texas are wind energy states, and believe it or not, Texas and Iowa will lead the nation into a cleaner future. Oddly enough this competition is playing out between wind energy and Iowa's and Texas's traditional industries, in Iowa -corn (and ethanol production), in Texas - natural gas and oil production.
The good thing for these two states, they did not put themselves in the position of West Virginia and Wyoming where coal went down, and there was nothing left economically to replace coal. In years to come there will still be a lot of pain to come in Texas and Iowa, unless new uses can be found for old natural resources.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10771 on: November 19, 2020, 12:35:52 AM »
I feel so much better now that efficacious vaccines appear to be coming soon. But five-more-months, for the Joe Six-Packs like most of us is a long time to hold out with masks.
Talked to a brother-in-law over the phone for 12-minutes today as he constantly coughed, and explained that my wife's sister would be getting a COVID-19 test Thursday, while he holds out to see her test results. Umm, I said, line up a test for yourself, and you can't be sleeping with your wife.
I slept on the couch for over 17-days. My wife didn't get the virus. I sent my secretaries home 14-days. They didn't get it even though the secretaries were here as I awaited my test results. I tried to stay away. Do the courteous things. There are people dying, but I can hold out until April and wear a mask. Don't be a d-ass, wear your mask.
Incidentally, surgical masks are widely available now for purchase, online, and at your pharmacy.

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« Reply #10772 on: November 19, 2020, 06:22:44 AM »
I feel so much better now that efficacious vaccines appear to be coming soon. But five-more-months, for the Joe Six-Packs like most of us is a long time to hold out with masks.
Talked to a brother-in-law over the phone for 12-minutes today as he constantly coughed, and explained that my wife's sister would be getting a COVID-19 test Thursday, while he holds out to see her test results. Umm, I said, line up a test for yourself, and you can't be sleeping with your wife.
I slept on the couch for over 17-days. My wife didn't get the virus. I sent my secretaries home 14-days. They didn't get it even though the secretaries were here as I awaited my test results. I tried to stay away. Do the courteous things. There are people dying, but I can hold out until April and wear a mask. Don't be a d-ass, wear your mask.
Incidentally, surgical masks are widely available now for purchase, online, and at your pharmacy.
I now know lots of people who have it or had it.  Every single one of them is a disciplined mask wearer. 

I say that because there still seems to be this narrative out there that this virus is spreading because people are not wearing masks.  That appears to be completely false.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10773 on: November 19, 2020, 07:48:44 AM »
FL:

95,706 tests
7,783 positive
8.1% positive

Would really like to see that percentage drop to 4 or less.


Wisconsin had 7,989 new cases yesterday. Not sure how many tests were done. 

80% of all cases (historical) are age 0-59. 

That 0-59 age group accounts for 12% of hospitalizations. 

60-69 is 9%. 70-79 is 18%. 80-89 is 28%. 90+ is 26%.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10774 on: November 19, 2020, 08:39:47 AM »
I really don't understand this, but if these kids are not being vaccinated for things like measles and polio, what makes anyone thing their parents (and their kids) will get the vaccine for the China Virus?


Millions of American children are skipping vaccines that protect against potentially deadly or disabling illnesses due to concerns about COVID-19, according to a new Blue Cross Blue Shield Association analysis of millions of medical claims.

Children are on track to miss an estimated 9 million vaccine doses in 2020, a decrease of 26% for measles compared with 2019, and a decrease of 16% for polio, according to the analysis.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/living/health/ct-life-childhood-vaccination-plummets-11182020-20201118-k3f6v2th4vhrdd636g3cpxusxu-story.html
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10775 on: November 19, 2020, 09:07:28 AM »
Pennsylvania now requiring masks be worn in your own home if folks not members of your household are present

While I dont think its a bad suggestion I dont think it should be put forward as law

as its just another law that cant be enforced 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10776 on: November 19, 2020, 03:10:48 PM »
Thanks to American CEOs who really couldn't give a shit about either quality they were selling or the jobs they thru away.My god how much do you really need after 20/30/40 million
This is true to a limited extent, but the tax code is a bigger issue. It's not how much the CEOs make as much as it's how much the shareholders take. Our tax code encourages corporate profits more than reinvestment in the company (including in work force wages). So if you like your 401K (and many Americans--including this one--do), just remember that it is part of the problem. (The term 401K comes directly from the tax code). Our tax code does a lot of things that benefit the upper classes, and particularly the top few percenters.

This is a really tough nut to crack, and it's a really complicated issue (not well suited to my pithy comment above), but it's a bigger one than the ridiculous executive to laborer compensation ratio (though that, too, is way out of whack).

Our tax code, which is an expression of the national culture, should value work over wealth, but actually does the opposite.

PS this has almost nothing to do with COVID-19, but hey, everyone else is doing it...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10777 on: November 19, 2020, 03:27:36 PM »
 Our tax code encourages corporate profits more than reinvestment in the company (including in work force wages).
I am curious about this, and I know you usually know your stuff.  Profit, after tax, can be reinvested, or retained, or paid as dividends, or used to pay down debt, or to buy more stock or other acquisition, or usually some combination of the above.  I don't have a problem with a company that pays say 30% of AT profit as dividend.

I don't have a problem if they invest in something, usually buying capital equipment is a tax advantage in a sense.  It can be amortized against future profits.  I think they even cut this to zero years at some point.

Most of CEO pay is stock options/RSUs, and other deferred compensation that can get huge if the company stock price goes up, and upper management salaries are usually not a large fraction of overall salaries, or overall business expense, even though the numbers come out tens of millions often as not.

Companies try and avoid retained a lot of cash on the books as it can make them takeover targets, and today it doesn't pay much of course.  Corporate raider types used to prey on "well managed" conservative companies that could be bought up almost with their own cash in effect and then split up and dumped.  And with current interest rates, it can make sense to borrow and buy back stock.

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« Reply #10778 on: November 19, 2020, 03:50:18 PM »
It is a two-way street as at least medium size companies want to retain capital for the purposes of acquisition.   

Executive pay is often deferred, or at least strong parts of it are deferred until the executive can reach a point in age or income where they are in a lower tax bracket.  

It’s a lot like how athletes are paid. It’s what the market bears into a high degree is a meritocracy. Yes there are huge differences between the top earners in an organization and the bottom earners and it is a tough nut to crack. People who have the skill set, the drive, and the intensity to give their all to be executives in a larger firm are not easy to come by and are not going to be motivated without substantial compensation.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10779 on: November 19, 2020, 04:02:39 PM »
Florida today:

119,142 tests
9,002 positive
7.56 % positive
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