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GopherRock

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10696 on: November 16, 2020, 02:40:24 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on November 16, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
I think at the beginning it should go to the high risk regardless. I'm gonna let them be the guinea pigs before I get in line.
That was my thought as well. 

I'll roll up my sleeve when it's my turn, but my turn doesn't need to happen right away. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10697 on: November 16, 2020, 02:46:09 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on November 16, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
I think at the beginning it should go to the high risk regardless. I'm gonna let them be the guinea pigs before I get in line.
The issue with this is that side effects might not show up for a year or more.  

It should be fairly easy to assign vaccines to risk groups in order of need and level of exposure.  I can think of a lot of groups that should get it before me, my physical therapist for example.  She sees 16 people a day.  The police, perhaps groups that contact a lot of folks during the day, truckers? ...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10698 on: November 16, 2020, 03:02:07 PM »
I think all bartenders should be high on the list
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10699 on: November 16, 2020, 03:06:56 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on November 16, 2020, 03:02:07 PM
I think all bartenders should be high on the list
Any job that faces the public in numbers should be up there, versus folks who stay mostly in their house.
I'd imagine workers in retirement homes etc. should be up there.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10700 on: November 16, 2020, 03:07:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 02:46:09 PM
The issue with this is that side effects might not show up for a year or more. 
I'm not looking for perfect safety. I realize that no matter what, we're going to be in a situation of incomplete information. I'm fine with that.

Heck, I want to get back to life and I know the vaccine is the only way I can do that. 

I just don't mind if 10M or 20M people get it before me and we see how they do. I'm lucky enough that I'm low-risk due to age/comorbidities. I'm also lucky that I'm more capable of isolation than most, due to WFH. So while I want to get back to life, to travel, to everything else, I'm not in such a rush that I need to get it first.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10701 on: November 16, 2020, 03:13:13 PM »
Supposedly the Pfizer version makes a fair number of recipients feel down for 2-3 days.  The Moderna approach had much less of that, I don't know why.  That's the only side effect we know of today.  I doubt any show up in say 6 months after mass vaccinations.  (I doubt any show up period really.)

I personally will be in line when my time comes around.  It's a bit selfish I suppose, but part of our lives is travel, and that has been wiped out this year except a month long trip to France in Jan/Feb., which is not the best time to visit France.

It's been a good year for me financially in part because I'm spending less money and in part because I was fortunately with some stocks, but I can't spend it.  If we get vaccinated and travel, I may be gone a while.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10702 on: November 16, 2020, 03:26:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 03:13:13 PM
I personally will be in line when my time comes around.  It's a bit selfish I suppose, but part of our lives is travel, and that has been wiped out this year except a month long trip to France in Jan/Feb., which is not the best time to visit France.

It's been a good year for me financially in part because I'm spending less money and in part because I was fortunately with some stocks, but I can't spend it.  If we get vaccinated and travel, I may be gone a while.
Yeah, I don't think my company will "pressure" those of us who regularly travel to get the vaccine, because I doubt they can legally do so. But I'm sure they want us all to get back to traveling to see customers, so that will be one of the things that pushes me to get it sooner.

Then, if I am already traveling for business, my wife and I will want to get back to traveling for pleasure. 

Plus, we need to combine two of those trips (going to Austin) so my wife can actually experience it and get a sense of whether she wants to move there :72:
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10703 on: November 16, 2020, 03:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 09:21:09 AM
However they treat cancer patients is, I think, not relevant to the question of whether this vaccine is truly effective.
They're still dispensing their product which they're claiming saves lives while possibly bankrupting unfortunate souls with a fatal condition
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10704 on: November 16, 2020, 03:33:24 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 16, 2020, 03:28:34 PM
They're still dispensing their product which they're claiming saves lives while possibly bankrupting unfortunate souls with a fatal condition

What is an example of that by Pfizer or Moderna?  I had an impression that most cancer treatments were still only partially successful.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10705 on: November 16, 2020, 03:38:12 PM »
There is no cure for cancer. None of the treatments are a guarantee.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10706 on: November 16, 2020, 05:03:39 PM »
Looks like Wisconsin has peaked now, as the 7 day moving average has started to slowly fall.

This week will tell us a lot for how things are going up there.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10707 on: November 16, 2020, 05:21:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 03:33:24 PM
What is an example of that by Pfizer or Moderna?  I had an impression that most cancer treatments were still only partially successful.
I didn't ask the families who were saying their goodbyes who the dirty POS's were.When Cindy's mom was dying of pancreatic cancer there was some anti nausea drug,that wasn't yet generic so empty their pocket they did,she obviously didn't have a complete package so she saw bills  many with complete coverage may not see - it was still robbery
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10708 on: November 16, 2020, 05:26:37 PM »
So, we have no idea if Pfizer or Moderna were involved in that?

Both are for profit companies, and I have some experience in how companies can behave badly.  SO, I expect them to attempt to maximize profit in their line of work.  I don't expect them to be kind, charitable, or whatever other laudable characteristic one might hope for UNLESS it offers some PR benefit they want.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10709 on: November 16, 2020, 05:36:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
So, we have no idea if Pfizer or Moderna were involved in that?

Both are for profit companies, and I have some experience in how companies can behave badly.  SO, I expect them to attempt to maximize profit in their line of work.  I don't expect them to be kind, charitable, or whatever other laudable characteristic one might hope for UNLESS it offers some PR benefit they want.
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