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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10333 on: November 05, 2020, 06:26:33 PM »
US- 102 International airports and nearly 850 million passengers who travel by air each year.

Sweden- 3 international airports and roughly 11 million passengers who travel by air each year.

Idk. The comparisons for me and virus containment kinda end there.  The US has a travel situation unlike any country on the planet.  It’s just so unique I have trouble comparing virus containment to any other country.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10334 on: November 05, 2020, 06:43:40 PM »
Last year, Atlanta airport "serviced" 105 million people, in and out or changing.

But once the infection gets started in your country, it spreads even if nobody else arrives.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10335 on: November 05, 2020, 07:06:36 PM »
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/05/931844298/first-covid-19-vaccine-doses-to-go-to-health-workers-say-cdc-advisers

Health care workers will almost certainly get the first doses of COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S. when one is approved, according to Dr. José Romero, head of the committee that develops evidence-based immunization guidelines for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That's a decision based on the science of what will quell the pandemic fastest. "It's not just the doctors and nurses that are interacting with patients, but also the support personnel that help," Romero said, in an interview with NPR Thursday. "It could include those persons that are delivering food, or maintenance people that could come in contact with them," so they can protect themselves and patients from the virus, and stay healthy to keep the U.S. health care system running.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10336 on: November 05, 2020, 07:43:16 PM »
Undoubtedly death is a necessary consequence of life, and we accept all kinds of risks, but I, too, am a little thrown by the car analogy. It's true that in the U.S. we accept a high death toll on our roads as the cost of doing business--more so than in at least some other countries. However, after decades of declining auto-related deaths, the last decade has seen them heading back up. I'm sure the COVID shut downs will reduce the numbers for 2020, but heading into 2020, we were seeing large increases.

Effectively, all of the safety improvements we've made to our cars seem to have been overcome by two things: (1) the size of our vehicles has gone way up, leading to more deaths; and (2) we are more distracted in our cars (I wonder why? /sarcasm). 

This is one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to autonomous vehicles: they will almost certainly be much safer because they will take human distraction and error out of the equation.

I'm sure we've talked about this on other threads.

Anyway, I'm probably not replying in any meaningful way to any of these comments. But I'm not cool with traffic fatalities.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10337 on: November 05, 2020, 10:13:31 PM »
Undoubtedly death is a necessary consequence of life, and we accept all kinds of risks, but I, too, am a little thrown by the car analogy. It's true that in the U.S. we accept a high death toll on our roads as the cost of doing business--more so than in at least some other countries. However, after decades of declining auto-related deaths, the last decade has seen them heading back up. I'm sure the COVID shut downs will reduce the numbers for 2020, but heading into 2020, we were seeing large increases.

Effectively, all of the safety improvements we've made to our cars seem to have been overcome by two things: (1) the size of our vehicles has gone way up, leading to more deaths; and (2) we are more distracted in our cars (I wonder why? /sarcasm).

This is one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to autonomous vehicles: they will almost certainly be much safer because they will take human distraction and error out of the equation.

I'm sure we've talked about this on other threads.

Anyway, I'm probably not replying in any meaningful way to any of these comments. But I'm not cool with traffic fatalities.
Well said.

The delay in autonomous vehicles, I'm afraid, has and will continue to smack into a wall of ignorance.  The masses need someone to blame for a traffic death, and that means they'll accept 100 human-error deaths over 1 heartless machine-caused death.

All the while ignoring that the number of dead people would immediately decrease by about 80% or more.
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“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10339 on: November 05, 2020, 10:33:55 PM »
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/it-may-be-time-to-reset-expectations-on-when-well-get-a-covid-19-vaccine/?fbclid=IwAR1gs7ia9A4jEocWb-jNAhd_NUUNwXSxLvV0uLbgMlZmHLTlM4Fe0B6r8DA
Nothing really new here

Possible January for certain groups and 2 or 3 months later (5 on the outside) for the rest of us

This is pretty much what the current phase 3 developers have been saying

Its important to mention that all 3 phase 3 vaccines are still in the running which is great news
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10340 on: November 06, 2020, 05:55:21 AM »
Effectively, all of the safety improvements we've made to our cars seem to have been overcome by two things: (1) the size of our vehicles has gone way up, leading to more deaths; and (2) we are more distracted in our cars (I wonder why? /sarcasm).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10341 on: November 06, 2020, 05:56:26 AM »
The only people needing to reset vaccine expectations were the ones who thought science could magically fast-forward one.

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It is being fast-forwarded. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10342 on: November 06, 2020, 07:08:03 AM »
Right, that's not nonsensical at all.  Oh, oh...tell us the name of the plan again?!?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10343 on: November 06, 2020, 07:14:25 AM »
Still waiting to know your plan.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10344 on: November 06, 2020, 07:27:47 AM »
Still waiting to know your plan.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10345 on: November 06, 2020, 08:27:39 AM »
Yeah, I've always been expecting spring 2021 for wholesale distribution of a vaccine. I don't need (or really want) to be near the head of the line for it, but I'll gladly roll up my sleeve when it's my turn.

 

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