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We often call it the Spanish Flu in 1918 not because it started in Spain, but because they could report on it.

No one has any trouble reporting on COVID-19, or COVID or the coronavirus.

Let's not pretend.

No, that is literally your opinion. And it's a highly politisized one.

The consensus (not-politicized) view is that China handled the outbreak very badly.

I've seen no support outside of the right wing news factory for the opinion that China "purposely allowed the world to catch it."

My further opinion is that people using the phrase "China Virus" or any derivative of that are engaging in the politics surrounding COVID-19. There is no scientific basis for the use of that phrase.

One of the things that makes non-political discussion of this very difficult is that the response to COVID-19 in the United States is and has been highly politicized. It is very difficult to discuss what has been done or what is being done without directly referring to politics. 

My objection above--and still--is that "politics" is off limits, but people continue spewing inherently political rhetoric in this thread. We're either going to make this apolitical or not, but going half way doesn't cut it.

The consensus (not-politicized) view is that China handled the outbreak very badly.

I've seen no support outside of the right wing news factory for the opinion that China "purposely allowed the world to catch it."

My further opinion is that people using the phrase "China Virus" or any derivative of that are engaging in the politics surrounding COVID-19. There is no scientific basis for the use of that phrase.

One of the things that makes non-political discussion of this very difficult is that the response to COVID-19 in the United States is and has been highly politicized. It is very difficult to discuss what has been done or what is being done without directly referring to politics.

My objection above--and still--is that "politics" is off limits, but people continue spewing inherently political rhetoric in this thread. We're either going to make this apolitical or not, but going half way doesn't cut it.

well Im not going to engage in argument over this but I will say that youre opinion is not widely held even in liberal circles 

You do realize that the difference between your opinion and mine is the word "purposely?"

There is no doubt that the Chinese government handled the outbreak very badly and suppressed information about it, which almost certainly made the outbreak much, much worse, up to and including the global nature of the pandemic. 

While that's true, and needs to be addressed, it has nothing to do with this group peddling in conspiracy theories about labs in Wuhan or calling COVID-19 the "China Virus," both of which are loaded political rhetoric.

So if we're going to avoid politics in this thread, we should avoid those things.

I work with a lot of Chinese, we have offices there (as all must, if you want to sell your products there).  They are invariably great people.

I sometimes wonder if they're embarrassed/ashamed at how awful their government is, but then there's really no way for them to get any real information outside the propaganda their government allows them to see, so how could they be?

I think most citizens of whatever country are mostly embarrassed/ashamed of their government.  I know I am.

I'm certainly not proud of Russia's, China's, or North Korea's government.  The same as France, Great Britain, or Italy.

I suppose some are "better" than others, but they all have faults