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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9954 on: October 28, 2020, 11:55:52 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 28, 2020, 11:45:18 PM
Have you ever considered that hyperbole isn't the best discussion strategy?
It's the best way to get into internet spats with people - Better than my usual way, and that's saying something. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9955 on: October 29, 2020, 12:26:52 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 28, 2020, 11:45:18 PM
Have you ever considered that hyperbole isn't the best discussion strategy?
I'm making light of the dramatics of badge's post.  Hyperbole is as good as any other strategy when no one's mind can be changed through rational discussion.  Do you disagree?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9956 on: October 29, 2020, 06:07:38 AM »
 Some folks lack empathy for those who work restaurants, hotels and motels, conventions, airlines, etc.

The wife incidentally is incensed over Macron's next steps.  HIs approval rating now is 29%.  He has angered nearly everyone.  Now, his next step on COVID is something very damaging to the French economy and people without being adequate to do much about the spread.  They had over 36,000 new cases reported yesterday on a population a fifth of the US, over a million active cases, 3,000 said to be critical, which at least is a "good" ratio.

The US has nearly 17,000 serious cases out of 60,000 cases reported yesterday, not as good a ratio.  We might count "serious" differently, I don't know how that is tabulated.

I think either you shut everything down but critical industries or you leave everything open except large groups and bars and maybe a couple other items.

I was hoping Georgia would stay static or decline in new cases, without much expectation of that, and indeed the new cases reported now is clearly trending back up, not all that fast, but trending, up to around 1,700 now from a low point of late around 1,100.  France would love those figures adjusted for population (6.4x).

Europe overall is in bad and worsening shape.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9957 on: October 29, 2020, 06:36:39 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 29, 2020, 12:26:52 AM
 Hyperbole is as good as any other strategy when no one's mind can be changed through rational discussion.  
Your name and rational discussion has never appeared in the same sentence in anyone's minds,save your own
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9958 on: October 29, 2020, 06:42:58 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 29, 2020, 06:07:38 AM
Some folks lack empathy for those who work restaurants, hotels and motels, conventions, airlines, etc.

The wife incidentally is incensed over Macron's next steps.  HIs approval rating now is 29%.  He has angered nearly everyone.  Now, his next step on COVID is something very damaging to the French economy and people without being adequate to do much about the spread.  They had over 36,000 new cases reported yesterday on a population a fifth of the US, over a million active cases, 3,000 said to be critical, which at least is a "good" ratio.

The US has nearly 17,000 serious cases out of 60,000 cases reported yesterday, not as good a ratio.  We might count "serious" differently, I don't know how that is tabulated.

I think either you shut everything down but critical industries or you leave everything open except large groups and bars and maybe a couple other items.

I was hoping Georgia would stay static or decline in new cases, without much expectation of that, and indeed the new cases reported now is clearly trending back up, not all that fast, but trending, up to around 1,700 now from a low point of late around 1,100.  France would love those figures adjusted for population (6.4x).

Europe overall is in bad and worsening shape. 



Our healthcare and response is better than theirs. Karma is a bitch too. I remember them (particularly France and Macron) being highly critical of the USA back in July.

"Don't they care?"


Dumbass. 

No. We don't care. We're all gonna die, except those who hide out at home every day.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9959 on: October 29, 2020, 06:45:47 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 29, 2020, 12:26:52 AM
I'm making light of the dramatics of badge's post.  Hyperbole is as good as any other strategy when no one's mind can be changed through rational discussion.  Do you disagree?
Are you hoping businesses fail? WTF man. There will be no taxpayers to pay you if that happens. You WILL be living in a cave. Not a basement. A cave.

I've got almost 40 people depending on me for a job, and for me to provide that job, I need a strong economy.

Hyperbole my ass. It's reality. Try living in it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9960 on: October 29, 2020, 06:49:36 AM »
Thank You Badge Sponge Bob Smear Pants that you're responding to is probably a card carying member of Antifa.If they're desperate enough to have him
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9961 on: October 29, 2020, 06:55:49 AM »
I gather to some the concept of balancing evils as well as possible is lack of empathy.  So be it.  Shutting everything, or most everything down, is an evil.  Letting the virus spread without effort is an evil.  It's not all the one or all the other.

Even Macron sees that, though I suspect his half measure may be worse than no measure because apparently he missed the spreaders, the youth (yutes) who are out partying.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9962 on: October 29, 2020, 06:59:12 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 29, 2020, 06:42:58 AM
No. We don't care. We're all gonna die, except those who hide out at home every day.
And then they'll have to come out and fend for themselves because Bezos won't have the servants to drop goods at their door step anymore
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9963 on: October 29, 2020, 07:18:59 AM »
I don't view it as hyperbole to opine that a collapse of the hospitality/travel sector would reverberate negatively through the remainder of the economy.  It already has of course.  Government bailouts can carry it for a while.  But then you are propping up an inactive industry with "fake" money fabricated from nothing.

I have chatted with several local restauranteurs here and they all say it's bad.  They are on the edge.  Nationally, that's a lot of people, not to mention airlines, motels, convention centers, etc. who are also involved in this.

If they start failing dramatically in numbers, it would hammer the economy, of that there is no doubt, all of the economy.  Perhaps it would survive, longer term, but it would be drastically changed, not for the better.  Imagine all the workers not paying rent now, so the owners of apts start going under, and it ripples out from there.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9964 on: October 29, 2020, 07:26:03 AM »
I'm glad I am not in the commercial/office real estate business. Downtown Chicago is a ghost town. Not all from the virus, but that (used to be) is for another thread.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9965 on: October 29, 2020, 07:39:52 AM »
I worry a lot about the new office space being built around me.  Most of the complexes are multi use commercial/residential/retail.  The residential part might be OK because of low interest rates.

Quite a few retail outlets now remain vacant street level on stuff built in the past few years.  And we've had closings of some restaurants in that space.  This one has 64 condos that start at $865 K, which is pricey here for a 2 bdr 1200 sf condo.

http://1105westpeachtree.com/

https://public.earthcam.net/tJ90CoLmq7TzrY396Yd88DUl4kiXWj4obFnEA1dCgXE/1105_west_peachtree/1105_west_peachtree/view_1

Our physical therapy is across the street so we walk by it at least weekly.  This is one of several similar projects nearby.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9966 on: October 29, 2020, 08:38:09 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html

Some better than expected news on GDP growth.

And no, this doesn't mean I'm apathetic about how many have died.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9967 on: October 29, 2020, 08:51:11 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 29, 2020, 12:26:52 AM
I'm making light of the dramatics of badge's post.  Hyperbole is as good as any other strategy when no one's mind can be changed through rational discussion.  Do you disagree?
I actually do. It's not going to be any more effective in changing minds, but it makes things a lot more yell-y. Which is both unpleasant and not changing minds. 
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