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So while we can point out other countries that have done worse than us, I don't think anyone can say that we should be patting ourselves on the back for our response.

Only a very few should be patting themselves on the back

Australia, possibly

Only a very few should be patting themselves on the back

Australia, possibly

Don't they have to use their left hand to do so, due to the Coriolis Effect? 

There is crowing about what a great job we've done in the US - which no one here has attempted - and then there is blaming all of this solely on say our health care system, or something political.

The latter makes no sense to me if you look at France, for example, no sense at all.

There is crowing about what a great job we've done in the US - which no one here has attempted - and then there is blaming all of this solely on say our health care system, or something political.

The latter makes no sense to me if you look at France, for example, no sense at all.

those crowing are on one side of the isle and those blaming are on the opposite side.  Neither are correct.  Neither are helping the situation.

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I suppose this shows how any malady will be turned into a political hammer at some point.

I also think even if we had some "perfect" response, we would still have had significant numbers of sick and dead people.  

I suppose this shows how any malady will be turned into a political hammer at some point.

I also think even if we had some "perfect" response, we would still have had significant numbers of sick and dead people. 

True, especially in an election year, it would have been politicized. 

But I think we can say that "stick your fingers in your ears and say 'nananananananana' and act like it doesn't exist" is perhaps a much less than perfect response. 

That's interesting... Shows that something must have improved with treatments between the April and Jul/Aug spikes, because hospitalizations were similar in number but deaths WAY down the second time. 

Will be interesting to see how it goes in this third wave. I certainly wouldn't expect a return to April numbers, but if it can be even lower than the Jul/Aug spike in deaths given similar hospitalization that would suggest we're learning important improvements as we go.