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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9758 on: October 26, 2020, 01:56:54 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 26, 2020, 01:54:45 PM
I don't think we have evidence, at least at this time, that it has mutated to a significantly less deadly strain. I'd love to be wrong on that though.
To note we lack evidence is right, so far as I know.  It does seem possible we now have a strain that might be more infectious but less deadly.  Speculative.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9759 on: October 26, 2020, 02:01:27 PM »
I believe they have discovered various strains, some more lethal than others, though they have all been in circulation for some time.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9760 on: October 26, 2020, 02:14:10 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 19, 2020, 02:02:37 PM
Well, I figure virologists who study the DNA sequences and determine strains know something.

They say the G and its variant substrains GH and GR mutated in January and February, respectively. Which, considering that since then they'd grown to 74% of prevalence by August (according to that sciencedaily article), suggests they're FAR more transmissible than the original L strain from Wuhan.

Which of course perfectly fits what we saw. We probably had the L strain in the US by December, but cases initially grew slowly. Which makes sense that it hit San Jose and Seattle, because both areas have huge economic ties to China due to the tech sector. But it didn't spread like wildfire, because it's not as transmissible. Once the G strain hit from Europe, especially having hit densely populated areas like NYC/NJ which have more exposure to Europe than we have on the West Coast, it just exploded.

It probably also [more than masks] explains why so many Asian countries have done well with this. They locked down before G, GR, and GH could really establish themselves. The fact that they instituted containment measures and then already had a mask-friendly culture kept those strains from gaining any foothold whatsoever, while it ravaged Europe and the US because we didn't embrace masks.

Some details on strains.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9761 on: October 26, 2020, 02:40:31 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 26, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
I still don't understand the notion that the US has done some horrific job with this when Europe is in such a crisis. 

Some things are not controllable in life.
Maybe because we hear how great our health system is from people poo-pooing universal care over and over again.  


This just in:  maybe it's not that great.  Maybe it's on par with much of Europe.  Maybe we're not this special, exceptional entity.  How dare I!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9762 on: October 26, 2020, 02:51:26 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 26, 2020, 02:40:31 PM
Maybe because we hear how great our health system is from people poo-pooing universal care over and over again. 


This just in:  maybe it's not that great.  Maybe it's on par with much of Europe.  Maybe we're not this special, exceptional entity.  How dare I!
This has absolutely nothing to do with the virus

You are just taking a shot at those opposing universal health care

take this crap some place else
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9763 on: October 26, 2020, 02:55:09 PM »
Obviously, one would think, our health care system is dissociated from how many may contract the disease, except for that part we call our public health system like the CDC etc.

A country with a near perfect health care system might still be clobbered by the disease.

France, for example, has a highly regarded health care system by many measures, and is getting hammered.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9764 on: October 26, 2020, 03:13:49 PM »
Ive seen a lot of theories on why this virus spreads like it does but none of them has said its because of our health care system 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9765 on: October 26, 2020, 03:14:52 PM »
wash your hands, wear your mask, and horde toilet paper
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9766 on: October 26, 2020, 03:16:20 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9767 on: October 26, 2020, 03:21:04 PM »
The UK has universal health care. How are they doing with the virus?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9768 on: October 26, 2020, 03:35:08 PM »
Worse than us?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9769 on: October 26, 2020, 03:55:43 PM »
Out of 200+ countries tracked by Worldometers, the US is 12th highest in Cases/1M and 10th in Deaths/1M. It is possible to place our high case rate on testing, as we are 19th in Tests/1M. But I don't think you can apply that to deaths. 

Filtering out nations with population <1M people, the US is 8th highest in Cases/1M and 8th in Deaths/1M. Also, oddly enough, 8th in tests/1M. 

So while we can point out other countries that have done worse than us, I don't think anyone can say that we should be patting ourselves on the back for our response. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9770 on: October 26, 2020, 03:55:58 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 26, 2020, 03:21:04 PM
The UK has universal health care. How are they doing with the virus? 
The UK has nationalized health care, which is fairly unusual in Europe.  My Brit friends say it sux.

My French cousins like their health care system pretty well.  France of course is suffering with COVID infections at the moment despite that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9771 on: October 26, 2020, 03:57:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 26, 2020, 03:16:20 PM
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