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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9142 on: October 09, 2020, 08:00:05 AM »
The experience in Sweden does suggest a lot of us have some resistance to COVID, perhaps developed by exposure to some similar corona virus 2-3-4 years back.  Maybe.

I still can't explain why states and countries see a peak and then it falls off unless that is the case.  If you think folks "get religion" and take precautions more than they did, well, that is a possible factor as well.

I don't see that personally around here.  Precautions are the same as they were in May and June.  We had a surge in June that was very concerning up to nearly 4,000 reported cases per day, and now it has dropped to near 1,000, with no change in state policy and no obvious change in personal behaviors.  School was out in June obviously, it was getting hot if that matters, what else?  

July came and the numbers dropped rather dramatically.  Why?  I don't know, unless the herd thing was approached somehow.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9143 on: October 09, 2020, 08:52:05 AM »
The experience in Sweden does suggest a lot of us have some resistance to COVID, perhaps developed by exposure to some similar corona virus 2-3-4 years back.  Maybe.

I still can't explain why states and countries see a peak and then it falls off unless that is the case.  If you think folks "get religion" and take precautions more than they did, well, that is a possible factor as well.

I don't see that personally around here.
  Precautions are the same as they were in May and June.  We had a surge in June that was very concerning up to nearly 4,000 reported cases per day, and now it has dropped to near 1,000, with no change in state policy and no obvious change in personal behaviors.  School was out in June obviously, it was getting hot if that matters, what else? 

July came and the numbers dropped rather dramatically.  Why?  I don't know, unless the herd thing was approached somehow.

That's absolutely the case, here.  We didn't just reopen back in May/June, but people also became FAR less conscientious about distancing and mask-wearing.  Then the increases began in June/July, not just cases but hospitalizations and deaths.  The bars were shut down again, and people reverted to more careful behavior.

Texas will be reopening bars officially once again, but in reality many of them have been open for a month or two at this point.  They started serving "food" and became reclassified as restaurants, circumventing the rules.  But the distancing and mask-wearing is still FAR more present, than it was during May/June.

Now our cases are mostly tied to younger people who are out and about more than they were in March/April, they're less fearful, and they're testing positive but pretty much zero hospitalizations/deaths are resulting.

This virus is among us, it's not going anywhere, it will be with us forever.  We need to be careful to protect at-risk populations, and beyond that, we need to go back to our lives.  There is no "new normal" because we can't stay hunkered down forever, or even another several months.  This is it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9144 on: October 09, 2020, 09:32:49 AM »
If behaviors changed around here, I'd guess it was for the worse.  Mobility has continued to rise in Georgia (and I see near normal traffic now).  And I think most folks have simply adjusted to the "new normal".  I was just in Kroger, and I didn't think twice about wearing the mask.  

They had a prime rib roast for $6.99 a pound, I think I'll cut into three thick steaks and grill them later.  I don't know why they call it prime, it's ribeye and Choice cut.

Asparagus $1.77 per lb.  

Dinner.  I got a case of Regusci Rose yesterday that I have not tried yet, they had a big sale on that, around $22 per bottle, normally $35.  Regusci is one of my favorites.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9145 on: October 09, 2020, 09:37:58 AM »
I'm headed down to the beach in an hour, taking the RV and camping for the next 5 days for the "Columbus Day" weekend.  

We've got prime filet and strip, burgers, dogs, homemade carnitas for tacos, and a bunch of stuff to put in the deep fryer on Saturday to pay tribute to the TX-OU game on Saturday which would normally be going on during the State Fair.  Stupid coronas.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9146 on: October 09, 2020, 09:42:25 AM »
I'll be there in four hours.  


The wife likes tacos a lot, especially fish tacos.  I make them using the left over flat iron steak that I grill, cutting it into smaller chunks. It's an easy lunch or dinner.  We prefer the soft tacos.

Oh, and something about the virus.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9147 on: October 09, 2020, 10:29:44 AM »
Giddyup.  I like all kinds of tacos.  The tortilla makes a huge difference, home-made (or, I suppose, in-house-made is more accurate) is always so much better than storebought off the shelf, for both corn and flour torts.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9148 on: October 09, 2020, 10:45:40 AM »
This virus is among us, it's not going anywhere, it will be with us forever.  We need to be careful to protect at-risk populations, and beyond that, we need to go back to our lives.  There is no "new normal" because we can't stay hunkered down forever, or even another several months.  This is it.
Yup.

We should just be thankful it wasn’t a more lethal virus that was unleashed from China. Next one could be way more serious. I really think EU and US should ban all travel from/to China. We don’t need those rat bastards. They can keep making our crap for pennies on the dollar, but other than that they don’t need to come here or to Europe. F**k em.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9149 on: October 09, 2020, 11:04:07 AM »
Northwestern researchers found that 1 in 5 Chicagoans have antibodies.

I'm telling you all. More of us have had this than we think.

Mrs. 847 and I got tested for the Wuhan Flu today. Every 3-4 weeks. Can't hurt. We have some older friends down here, and we did it for them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9150 on: October 09, 2020, 11:06:11 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9151 on: October 09, 2020, 12:06:18 PM »
Northwestern researchers found that 1 in 5 Chicagoans have antibodies.

I'm telling you all. More of us have had this than we think.

Personally it's hard to tell if it's the antibodies or Jim Beam
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9152 on: October 09, 2020, 12:16:17 PM »
Last I read, the antibody test was not particularly reliable ...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9153 on: October 09, 2020, 12:20:19 PM »
So the Beam is working?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9154 on: October 09, 2020, 12:45:25 PM »
Last I read, the antibody test was not particularly reliable ...
It's reliable, but the antibodies only last 2-3 months. I tested positive in early May, and negative in mid-June.

So, if NU were to test me for antibodies today, I'd be negative. And I've had the virus. 

This thing got started in November, but it wasn't until March that we really knew anything about it. I air-travelled extensively from November to March. So did many others.

I think you can see what I'm getting at here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9155 on: October 09, 2020, 12:47:14 PM »
Last I read, the antibody test was not particularly reliable ...
No, the issue with the antibody test is that if the actual incidence in the population of antibodies is very low, then the false positive/negative rates of the test make it difficult to trust the test. 

For example, let's say there's a 1.5% prevalence of antibodies in the population, and the antibody test has a 1% false positive rate. As a result, you'll expect roughly a 2.5% positive result when you test that population.

That's problematic. First because if you're making population-level decisions, and 40% of your positive results are false, it's too big of a proportion. But second, if you're one of those people who received a positive antibody test, you only have 60% confidence that you ACTUALLY have antibodies. So personally do you know that you have actually had COVID when that positive test can only tell you with slightly better than a coin flip confidence?

Now, if you have 20% prevalence of antibodies in the population, and the antibody test has a 1% false positive rate, you'll expect to have a 20.8% positive result when you test that population. That's a much smaller error margin. And if you're one of those who was tested and received a positive result, you now have slightly better than 96% confidence that your test revealed actual antibodies and not a false positive. 

Of course, that's a complex explanation for a complex phenomenon, and the only thing laypeople took from it was that the tests aren't reliable. And then blame "experts" for not knowing what they're talking about. :96:

 

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