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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8918 on: September 24, 2020, 12:47:29 PM »
I don't really get the T check notion.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8919 on: September 24, 2020, 12:50:22 PM »
Ours is requiring a morning temperature check using a Bluetooth thermometer and phone app, and you have to certify with the app that they're good to go before they're allowed out of the car at drop-off.
Yeah we haven't gone in-person yet, but I think our district has something similar.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8920 on: September 24, 2020, 12:54:52 PM »
I don't really get the T check notion.
Yeah, I don't know how strong of a correlation there is between being contagious and having a fever. Obviously if you have a fever you're sick, but if you don't have a fever it doesn't mean you're safe.

But you're not supposed to send your kid to school with a fever even before COVID. So I do look at it as one extra useful safety measure where they might catch a student who otherwise felt fine enough despite a fever to go to school, and/or to catch parents who DGAF and would send their kids anyway to get them out of the house, and thus should DIAF. 

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« Reply #8921 on: September 24, 2020, 01:04:48 PM »
Yeah, I don't know how strong of a correlation there is between being contagious and having a fever. Obviously if you have a fever you're sick, but if you don't have a fever it doesn't mean you're safe.

But you're not supposed to send your kid to school with a fever even before COVID. So I do look at it as one extra useful safety measure where they might catch a student who otherwise felt fine enough despite a fever to go to school, and/or to catch parents who DGAF and would send their kids anyway to get them out of the house, and thus should DIAF.
Yeah I guess it is all this.  A temperature check won't stop every potentially contagious child, but it might stop one, or a handful.  It's a simple enough step.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8922 on: September 24, 2020, 01:07:55 PM »
I get checked here often, before a lot of restaurant visits, before every PT and doc visit.

I'm always around 97°F.  The last time at PT I first measured 91°F.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8923 on: September 24, 2020, 01:32:02 PM »
Yeah I guess it is all this.  A temperature check won't stop every potentially contagious child, but it might stop one, or a handful.  It's a simple enough step.
could be a practice that remains long after COVID
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8924 on: September 24, 2020, 01:41:53 PM »
could be a practice that remains long after COVID
I was thinking of that, but I doubt parents will put up with it beyond COVID. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8925 on: September 24, 2020, 02:05:19 PM »
If we ever get a vaccine, I suspect a large percentage of the country will willingly get it.  But it'll take a while.  I'll certainly let others go first and wait a few months.


not everyone has to get the shot for a difference to be made 

Im thinking 50 to 60 percent will make a huge difference like herd immunity
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« Reply #8926 on: September 24, 2020, 02:10:59 PM »
50 to 60 percent of a 100% effective vaccine, plus everyone that's already had it, and any potential T-cell help, would almost certainly reach herd immunity.

If the vaccine is only 25% effective, or ineffective, well, that's something else.

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« Reply #8927 on: September 24, 2020, 02:27:00 PM »
50 to 60 percent of a 100% effective vaccine, plus everyone that's already had it, and any potential T-cell help, would almost certainly reach herd immunity.

If the vaccine is only 25% effective, or ineffective, well, that's something else.
well you would think after 30,000 tests in phase 3 that would be unlikely
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8928 on: September 24, 2020, 03:09:06 PM »
if a hundred cases can be prevented in each state, that would certainly help
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8929 on: September 24, 2020, 03:14:04 PM »
If the vaccine is only 25% effective, or ineffective, well, that's something else.
I'd guess if that shows up in Phase 3 the vaccine would not be approved.

They probably need >50% and no side effects.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8930 on: September 24, 2020, 03:17:46 PM »
no side effects???

I see plenty of commercials for drugs that might have been approved with horrid side effects, even death
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8931 on: September 24, 2020, 03:26:21 PM »
well you would think after 30,000 tests in phase 3 that would be unlikely
The phased trials don't really have anything to do with that.  Viruses mutate-- inevitably, always.  Which is one reason why even the flu vaccine is only 25% effective (or less) some seasons, even when they toss multiple strains into the flu vaccine. 

We have not once, ever, developed an effective vaccine for any of the numerous coronaviruses we've faced in the past, coronaviruses that have been with us for centuries or even millennia.  There are some different reasons for that, and one could be that we've never tried this hard and applied this level of resources to it, in all of human history.  But another factor is that coronaviruses are tricky bugs.

So yeah, I think it's entirely possible and even likely that we won't ever have an effective vaccine for this, and that it will take its toll on humanity as a novel coronavirus, and that eventually it will have done all the damage it can to the most vulnerable humans, and will no longer be novel and will retreat to being just one of many well-known coronaviruses that harm a certain percentage of the global population every single year.

 

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