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Cincydawg

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6384 on: July 07, 2020, 10:39:25 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 07, 2020, 10:38:33 AM
Ummm, yeah. Why do you think I'm out of here?
When did you tell us this startling piece of information?  I don't recollect any discussion on it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6385 on: July 07, 2020, 10:45:51 AM »
C'mon. I've been saying for years that Illinois is broken. And now a progressive tax is on the ballot for November. 

Toodles.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6386 on: July 07, 2020, 10:49:40 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/herd-immunity-questioned-after-spanish-coronavirus-antibody-study.html

Not good news from the Lancet, peer reviewed study.  Not good at all.

Still a confusing picture.
Here is my 2 cents worth

if antibodies dont last very long then why arent we hearing of many cases of reinfections

I mean the test in Spain is supposed to reflect that we cant achieve herd immunity cause the antibodies dont protect
a person long enough

if thats the case then it looks like we would have a boat load of reinfections but if we are its not been reported

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6387 on: July 07, 2020, 10:54:03 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on July 07, 2020, 10:49:40 AM
Here is my 2 cents worth

if antibodies dont last very long then why arent we hereing of many cases of reinfections

I mean the test in Spain is supposed to reflect that we cant achieve herd immunity cause the antibodies dont protect
a person long enough

if thats the case then it looks like we would have a boat load of reinfections but if we are its not been reported
I think everyone is focusing on the antibodies, and not many are focusing on T Cells. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6388 on: July 07, 2020, 10:58:53 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6389 on: July 07, 2020, 11:02:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 07, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
C'mon. I've been saying for years that Illinois is broken. And now a progressive tax is on the ballot for November.

Toodles.


You have...  Also, this isn't new news.  The state has had financial trouble since before BO took office.  Compounding the problem is corruption at all levels.  How many elected officials have gone to jail over the last 20 years?  Several..    Ill is a state that epitomizes the concept that elected officials only care about the next election, not governing.  So much bureaucracy that adds little value just to appease voters.  And nobody wants to deal with the pension issues... they just keep kicking the can.   All of this... you clearly know better than all of us.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6390 on: July 07, 2020, 11:05:02 AM »
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« Reply #6391 on: July 07, 2020, 11:57:26 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6392 on: July 07, 2020, 12:11:08 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on July 07, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
you mean this?


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
Yes. That exactly.

Every news story about waning antibodies results in doom & gloom. Yet antibodies are only one piece of the immunity puzzle.

I've read that people that recovered from SARS in 2003 and MERS later have been tested and although they have no antibodies, they still show evidence of the T cells that were generated by those diseases. 
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« Reply #6393 on: July 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM »
How come we haven't heard more about this? Are these cells transferable?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6394 on: July 07, 2020, 12:36:36 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
How come we haven't heard more about this? Are these cells transferable?
I think the picture gets "too technical" for most readers, and nearly all reporters, in a hurry, so they latch on to whatever is salient and headline grabbing.

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« Reply #6395 on: July 07, 2020, 12:44:02 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
How come we haven't heard more about this?
The Facebook epidemiology lessons on T cells are a 200-level course. Most won't get there until next semester. 



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Are these cells transferable?


Some quick wikiresearch suggests there are therapeutic ways to transfer T cells, but they don't look simple by any stretch. I wouldn't hold out hope that this is a good solution for COVID-19.

The big advantage of T-cells is that if they confer long-term immunity, exposure to COVID-19 in a vaccine might teach the body to produce the right type of T-cells on its own, even after antibodies wane. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6396 on: July 07, 2020, 12:48:17 PM »
T-cells may also be involved in that bad cytokine explosion that seems to impact some younger patients hard.  I wonder if their T cells have a "memory" of a kind of cold virus from on back, and can't quite figure the new one out and go crazy attacking cells they shouldn't.
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« Reply #6397 on: July 07, 2020, 12:53:19 PM »
I also wonder if the cross T cell response has impacted why a lot of people have has little to no symptoms
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