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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6062 on: June 30, 2020, 12:38:24 AM »
Your takes on this have been very weird for the past several weeks.  You are actively rooting for deaths in Texas.  You'll say you're not, you probably even believe you're not--

But you are.

I can only wonder... why?
I’d assume he’s not actively rooting for deaths in Texas. 

There is something about the arguments around this that get people’s brains twisted, but I’d assume no one here is rooting for deaths. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6063 on: June 30, 2020, 12:42:39 AM »
I forget whether you're in Nebraska, or are just a Husker that got stranded in Iowa?

Either way:

California has over 200,000 cases, but only 5469 cases/1M population.

Iowa has 9122 cases/1M and Nebraska has 9770 cases/1M.

My own county (Orange) has only 4178 cases/1M. Los Angeles county, with almost 100K cases themselves, has only a 9750 cases/1M rate.

So... Yeah... Flyover states are doing swimmingly.
I do think news outlets should give figures like these expressed in cases per million. Thanks for your insightful analysis.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6064 on: June 30, 2020, 01:48:57 AM »
Your takes on this have been very weird for the past several weeks.  You are actively rooting for deaths in Texas.  You'll say you're not, you probably even believe you're not--

But you are.

I can only wonder... why?
He's been trying to correct a chronically optimistic/incorrect poster here over and over again.  There's nothing wrong with that.
No one is hoping for more deaths anywhere, even the people who just want to go back to normal.  They don't want the inevitable deaths that would come along with it, they'd just accept them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6065 on: June 30, 2020, 02:21:08 AM »
COVID-19, cases per 100,000 population. These stats are since start of the pandemic. They consider the recent surge, but do not account for the most current conditions. This compares the four surging states’ overall COVID-19 infections, with Iowa’s.
#11 Arizona - 1,016 per 100,000
#13 Iowa – 904 per 100,000
#24 Florida – 657 per 100,000
#32 California – 545 per 100,000
#33 Texas – 518 per 100,000
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Someone else who finds % ICU usage could give us a better optic describing the current situation. Not sure that stat is available.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6066 on: June 30, 2020, 05:52:38 AM »
Aside from deaths or cases per capita, a significant factor to watch is TRENDLINES.  Georgia is spiking up on cases, no doubt about it.  Hospitalizations is trending up, but less dramatically (a lot less) and deaths (a laggard) is bouncing around.

I still wonder what should be shut down here to limit this.  I lean to thinking bars and indoor dining.  We don't have "bars" that I know of around here, we have restaurants that do a lot of alcohol business.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6067 on: June 30, 2020, 06:41:14 AM »
Aside from deaths or cases per capita, a significant factor to watch is TRENDLINES.  Georgia is spiking up on cases, no doubt about it.  Hospitalizations is trending up, but less dramatically (a lot less) and deaths (a laggard) is bouncing around.

I still wonder what should be shut down here to limit this.  I lean to thinking bars and indoor dining.  We don't have "bars" that I know of around here, we have restaurants that do a lot of alcohol business.
My thought would be bars and gyms, with indoor dining limited to 25%.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6068 on: June 30, 2020, 06:55:03 AM »
It would be interesting to see that attempted, bars/gyms/25% indoor dining, and how fast and how much it had any impact.

It will also be interesting to see what happens now in Europe and NYC etc. as things begin to reopen.  My GUESS is they see a rise in infections and everyone ends up where Sweden is, more or less.  Rural states would be different.

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« Reply #6069 on: June 30, 2020, 07:14:19 AM »
It would be interesting to see that attempted, bars/gyms/25% indoor dining, and how fast and how much it had any impact.

It will also be interesting to see what happens now in Europe and NYC etc. as things begin to reopen.  My GUESS is they see a rise in infections and everyone ends up where Sweden is, more or less.  Rural states would be different.
My thoughts as well. As if we all stayed at home for nothing, but to flatten the curve (kick the can). Would we have been overwhelmed in the hospitals? How many beds were built by he Army Corps, that went untouched?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6070 on: June 30, 2020, 07:15:30 AM »
COVID-19, cases per 100,000 population. These stats are since start of the pandemic. They consider the recent surge, but do not account for the most current conditions. This compares the four surging states’ overall COVID-19 infections, with Iowa’s.
#11 Arizona - 1,016 per 100,000
#13 Iowa – 904 per 100,000
#24 Florida – 657 per 100,000
#32 California – 545 per 100,000
#33 Texas – 518 per 100,000
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Someone else who finds % ICU usage could give us a better optic describing the current situation. Not sure that stat is available.

While that is good information, I would be curious to see things broken down by urban and rural areas. In Ohio, most of the cases are reported in the larger cities, while in the rural areas, such as where I live, there are very few confirmed cases, hospitalizations and deaths. 

Also, I don't buy the notion that we have to lock things down because an asymptomatic person could unknowingly spread the disease. How are they spreading it? Are they coughing and sneezing on people? If so, they are NOT asymptomatic. If people have those symptoms, they should stay at home - PERIOD! The rest of us should be able to get on with our lives and follow that simple rule. If you have symptoms, stay home. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6071 on: June 30, 2020, 07:19:55 AM »
Everyone coughs and sneezes during the day.  Most of us are taught to cover our mouth when we do it, and turn away from others.  The reason for this is clear.

It makes since that shouting would spread the virus, and even singing.  Any "expectoration" has that potential.  If that person wears a mask, the chance they spread the virus is materially reduced.

And there is presymptomatic as well as asymptomatic.  Neither of these types have any basis for staying home.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6072 on: June 30, 2020, 08:48:34 AM »
He's been trying to correct a chronically optimistic/incorrect poster here over and over again.  There's nothing wrong with that.
No one is hoping for more deaths anywhere, even the people who just want to go back to normal.  They don't want the inevitable deaths that would come along with it, they'd just accept them.
Not incorrect so far

at what point in the future will you admit Im right if deaths dont surge the way positive cases are

I suspect never

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6073 on: June 30, 2020, 08:53:29 AM »
Your takes on this have been very weird for the past several weeks.  You are actively rooting for deaths in Texas.  You'll say you're not, you probably even believe you're not--

But you are.

I can only wonder... why?
I don't know that "rooting for" is correct here.

I think a lot of people are doing the "I told you so" routine, with Arizona, Texas and Florida. It's politicized. "They" mostly don't mention California, the "they" mostly don't bother digging into the real numbers. Testing has shot through the roof in Florida in the past week, with about a 40% increase in tests. Percent positive is also shooting up, sitting at 9%, up from 4% a month ago.

It's the 18-35 y/o group that is the culprit here. They pack the bars, pack house parties, pack beaches. No masks. I do applaud them for getting tested, for sure. Most do not show symptoms, or very little symptoms.

I'm trying to figure out Wisconsin, which has been full-on open since the state Supreme Court struck down the lockdown order on May 14. No huge spikes there. The numbers look to be trending down for most of the State. I've only seen my little pocket in Kenosha, and mask-wearing is 50-50. Even Milwaukee is trending downward.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6074 on: June 30, 2020, 08:56:34 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

The other key parameter is hospitalizations, which in GA is going up rather fast, not as fast as new cases.

The death figure will be a trailing indicator.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6075 on: June 30, 2020, 09:00:50 AM »
Georgia is not doing that bad but like Texas needs to get hospitalizations down
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