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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5964 on: June 27, 2020, 02:55:14 PM »
Oklahoma is in phase 3 and doing very well

are you concerned about a reversal
Oklahoma is not exactly doing well.  They started exponential growth more than 2 weeks ago.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5965 on: June 27, 2020, 03:07:06 PM »
I'm sure folks here notice how everything gets politicized.  We had a possible treatment for COVID politicized.  Wearing a mask.  Trying to distance.  Not acting like an idiot.  It almost seems that "we" have to be either A or B, nothing in between, and certainly now C or Z.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5966 on: June 27, 2020, 03:29:59 PM »
Oklahoma is not exactly doing well.  They started exponential growth more than 2 weeks ago.
yep they have risen all the way up to 3 or 4 hundred new cases a day

which considering they are in phase 3 is very good

their death rate is almost as low as Texas which is also very good
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5967 on: June 27, 2020, 04:09:49 PM »
yep they have risen all the way up to 3 or 4 hundred new cases a day

which considering they are in phase 3 is very good

their death rate is almost as low as Texas which is also very good
Death rates lag infection rates by more than 30 days, unfortunately.  Keep this in mind.

If OK was flat, that would be one thing.  It's the exponential growth that concerns me.  100 cases per day two weeks ago, 200 cases per day 1 week ago, 400 per day this week.  Next week I'm expecting OK to hit 600 per day.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5968 on: June 27, 2020, 04:17:28 PM »
Death rates lag infection rates by more than 30 days, unfortunately.  Keep this in mind.

If OK was flat, that would be one thing.  It's the exponential growth that concerns me.  100 cases per day two weeks ago, 200 cases per day 1 week ago, 400 per day this week.  Next week I'm expecting OK to hit 600 per day.
I dont think you will see deaths rise dramatically just because new cases have risen

we are treating patients now with a variety of things we didnt have 2 months ago
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5970 on: June 27, 2020, 05:46:29 PM »
yep they have risen all the way up to 3 or 4 hundred new cases a day

which considering they are in phase 3 is very good

their death rate is almost as low as Texas which is also very good
What phase a state is in is not an accurate portrayal of how good it's doing.  The number of cases/hospitalizations/deaths is, and if those are trending up or down.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5971 on: June 27, 2020, 05:48:25 PM »
Death rates lag infection rates by more than 30 days, unfortunately.  Keep this in mind.

If OK was flat, that would be one thing.  It's the exponential growth that concerns me.  100 cases per day two weeks ago, 200 cases per day 1 week ago, 400 per day this week.  Next week I'm expecting OK to hit 600 per day.
You're wasting your time, he doesn't understand the delay effect.  I tried already.  Dead stick.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5972 on: June 27, 2020, 05:49:59 PM »
3,500+ new cases each day here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5973 on: June 27, 2020, 06:17:22 PM »
Death rates lag infection rates by more than 30 days, unfortunately.  Keep this in mind.

If OK was flat, that would be one thing.  It's the exponential growth that concerns me.  100 cases per day two weeks ago, 200 cases per day 1 week ago, 400 per day this week.  Next week I'm expecting OK to hit 600 per day.
experience has indicated the average number of days until death is closer to 20 days


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/coronavirus-kills-average-185-days/


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f this is true then all the states having a spike in cases should start seeing an increase in deaths about now


Texas started around 5/26/20 but so far the death count has not followed the trend
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5974 on: June 27, 2020, 06:30:27 PM »
So, of the things I listed as possible enhancers of COVID, which should be curtailed in your view in a state going higher fast?

You can't deal with protests obviously.  Bars, gyms, nail parlors, hair cuts, restaurants, parks, beaches, elevators ...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5975 on: June 27, 2020, 07:12:52 PM »
experience has indicated the average number of days until death is closer to 20 days


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/coronavirus-kills-average-185-days/


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f this is true then all the states having a spike in cases should start seeing an increase in deaths about now


Texas started around 5/26/20 but so far the death count has not followed the trend
Don't forget there are also delays in reporting deaths.  Typically a patient dies, then the coroner takes over, then they make a report, then that report gets sent to the state, then the state updates their numbers.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5976 on: June 27, 2020, 07:16:40 PM »
experience has indicated the average number of days until death is closer to 20 days


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/coronavirus-kills-average-185-days/


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f this is true then all the states having a spike in cases should start seeing an increase in deaths about now


Texas started around 5/26/20 but so far the death count has not followed the trend
A couple of states are showing concerning blips if you squint hard enough, but not enough that I'm certain of anything. It's not enough that I can't just call it noise.

I say give it until this time next week. If there are meaningful trends occurring in deaths in the bad states for cases (FL/TX/OK/AZ/CA), those states should start showing it by July 4. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5977 on: June 27, 2020, 07:23:47 PM »
Don't forget there are also delays in reporting deaths.  Typically a patient dies, then the coroner takes over, then they make a report, then that report gets sent to the state, then the state updates their numbers.

If you look at the 7-day moving average, daily new cases (the first time) peaked Apr 10. Daily deaths effectively peaked on Apr 17 (although it remained high and the moving average went very slightly higher Apr 21).

There was a second blip in the 7-day moving average right around Apr 26. Correspondingly there was a spike in daily deaths during the May 5-7 week which paused the weekly declines in the daily death rate. 

Based on those, statistically we've started to see the effect of spikes in cases around 8-10 days after big spikes in cases. So far we're not seeing that in the states that have started to spike, and nationally all we've seen is the slope of the decline in the daily death moving average decrease and flatten.


 

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