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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5936 on: June 26, 2020, 10:41:30 PM »
so, Ohio, and Cali's Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) as of June 26, (per 100,000 people) are pretty good
Pennsylvania not so good

I understand this is not the only measurement of "good"
I can read that tonite so that's good
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5937 on: June 26, 2020, 10:58:02 PM »
Truth is precious prolly voted for him but he'd never admit it
Seriously?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5938 on: June 27, 2020, 01:53:32 AM »
what would a good leader have done?

which mayor, governor, or national leader was good and saved their people?

the Governor of Utah because their fatality rate is 0.87%???
We don't need to respond to rhetorical questions, especially to someone who actually knows this, so this is more for my frustrations at current events . . .


  • Pay attention to developing world events. It's your job as a politician at the national level and arguably at the state level. Anticipate and respond. Defending one's country, and one's constituents is your #1 job.
  • Lead by example.
  • Early out of the box get on top of design and production of accurate tests.
  • From the many unemployed, train and hire contact tracers using federal money. Consider this the point of the spear of national defense to a pandemic.
  • Put together a task force in January or February responsible for locating firms to produce PPE, and ventilators and contract with those firms through FEMA. FEMA then distributes these products on an "emergency" basis where needed. Isn't that the mission of FEMA to dole out resources in an emergency?
  • It is apparent in retrospect we should have stopped travel from Europe earlier. I didn't know it then, but I would guess there are some experts who did know it.
  • New York should have shut schools in February instead of wringing hands over how difficult it would be on working parents to do so.  Soon working parents would no longer work -- which was worse? I know through my work that at least Iowa has a position called, "State epidemiologist" as our state epidemiologist testified in federal court when I worked there in the 1980s. I would be surprised if most other states did not have a "state epidemiologist." Where were their voices when the feds' were so lax?
  • Dining in is enjoyable, but every one of us can live with outdoor dining or carry-out dining during a pandemic.
  • Create regulations governing meatpacking plants after the 1st outbreak rather than worry about whether a meatpacking plant would get sued for violation of the standard created. If packing plants violate standards designed to protect workers in a pandemic, that is their problem. But they paid off the politicians.
  • Prohibit mass indoor gatherings. We knew early-on what happens when the church choir meets two hours for practice and a few weeks later 4-people are dead. There should be no exception in a pandemic.
  • When the ICU occupancy rate is 90% keep telling us that we can't go back now that we are open, then stay open for a week before backtracking (oops -- I didn't say that, did I?).
  • Remove one's head from the sand, i.e. repeat #1.

I am sure I missed something.





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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5939 on: June 27, 2020, 07:25:01 AM »
Shifting my focus to Wisconsin (Kenosha County), where we will live for August and September.

The numbers look really good, even though the state is full-on open, with no restrictions at all. Cases and deaths are trending down, and the level of positivity sits at 3 percent.

I haven't been out and about much up there yet, but when I have been, I see a lot of masks. Smart.

We will go to restaurants, but only to eat outside or carry food out. We mostly cook, so going out isn't a big deal to us. We will not be going into bars, just because. No need.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5940 on: June 27, 2020, 07:40:36 AM »
While you froth at the mouth, yes, the masses get their news from poor sources.  Not sure what it has to do with me.
Frothing at the mouth? Hardly. Your post just pissed me off for a minute.

The virus task force was formed on January 29 - and at that time we were told by the CDC (and WHO) that the risk was very low. Travel from China was shut down 2 days later, followed by Europe on March 12. The latter should have happened sooner, without question, but we didn't know anything about this virus and China was still covering up their numbers (and still are).

Still, the EU was super-pissed off about the ban, and let everyone know it. Hindsight is 20-20, always. The US had 1600 cases on March 12, and the NCAA canceled its seasons that day.

Advice at the time was to not wear a mask.

I'm not sure what more could have been done in the beginning. The EU isn't sure either.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5941 on: June 27, 2020, 08:24:48 AM »
We don't need to respond to rhetorical questions, especially to someone who actually knows this, so this is more for my frustrations at current events . . .




I am sure I missed something.
the question wasn't rhetorical

was answered simply by others

you're sure you missed something?  so, that wouldn't be good leadership either
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5942 on: June 27, 2020, 08:37:13 AM »
Frothing at the mouth? Hardly. Your post just pissed me off for a minute.
So it's just not me and a half a dozen other guys 😎
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5943 on: June 27, 2020, 08:37:52 AM »
Just FYI, the "news hour" includes around 30 million people who watch ABC/NBC/CBS and around 10 million who watch ALL cable news outlets.  So, in terms of where most people "get their news" on TV, it is network broadcasting.

I imagine most people also read a newspaper at times and look at other sources of news in line.

The notion that MOST PEOPLE get their news from highly biased sources is incorrect unless you view broadcast news in that vein.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5944 on: June 27, 2020, 08:39:42 AM »
In 2020, the global number of Facebook users is expected to reach 1.69 billion, up from 1.34 million in 2014.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5945 on: June 27, 2020, 08:43:07 AM »
Some lady on FB was swooning about Cuomo and what a great guy he is and posted his comments that OTHER governors had done poorly ...

I noted that ironically, NY state has the WORST death rate of ANY state.

That unleashed a torrent of vituperation and excuse making.  It was quite entertaining.

Several EU countries have done worse than the US, still.  I don't know how one can measure this realistically because situations differ obviously.

Sweden has far more deaths than does Georgia, about double, on about the same number of cases, and Georgia has done more testing per capita.

There is a lot of current information that doesn't make a lot of sense.

It is clear this is getting worse quickly.  The timing of the protests in GA do coincide with what would be expected in terms of viral spread now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5946 on: June 27, 2020, 08:50:21 AM »
In 2020, the global number of Facebook users is expected to reach 1.69 billion, up from 1.34 million in 2014.
No wonder people are walking around with asses the size of a 20 pumpkin :017:
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5947 on: June 27, 2020, 09:21:00 AM »
MIAMI, FL — Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez announced late Friday night he plans to shut down Miami-area beaches during the upcoming July 4 holiday weekend and possibly longer in response to the recent surge in coronavirus cases.

"After consulting with our county’s public health experts, I will be signing an emergency order on Saturday to close all beaches in Miami-Dade County starting Friday, July 3, and ending Tuesday, July 7," the mayor said in a statement released Friday night.

Florida experienced its largest one-day coronavirus spike by far on Friday with 8,942 new cases and state officials ordered all consumption of on-premises alcohol suspended at bars statewide.

"As we continue to see more COVID-19 positive test results among young adults and rising hospitalizations, I have decided that the only prudent thing to do to tamp down this recent uptick is to crack down on recreational activities that put our overall community at higher risk," Gimenez said.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5948 on: June 27, 2020, 09:26:47 AM »
I can't understand why beaches would be a particular notable source of contagion.  I surmise this is something he can do to appear to be doing something.

It makes sense that you need a CROWD, preferably in doors, sneezing and talking loudly and coughing with few masks being worn to intercept any of those droplets.  

Beaches?

Shirley folks don't get all that close on beaches???

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5949 on: June 27, 2020, 09:35:13 AM »
It's all the younger set. They just don't socially distance, even on beaches, apparently. 

Closing bars to me seems much more effective.
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