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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5460 on: June 19, 2020, 02:10:21 PM »
Back of the napkin math -- could be looking at 1-2 million dead before herd immunity is reached naturally.
But the emperor has assured us all it will simply go away.  Yes, he doubled down on that idea.  It defies.....everything.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5461 on: June 19, 2020, 02:18:17 PM »
I don't think the people in the states that have significantly reopened, will tolerate another lockdown.  That's precisely why they were the early ones to open, in the first place. 

Wear a mask.  Keep distance from other people.  Don't initiate contact with the elderly and infirm.  That's going to have to be our direction at this point.
And wash your hands,how can you expect people to want to move there if YOU don't follow protocol,sheesh
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5462 on: June 19, 2020, 02:25:12 PM »
I believe that the most vulnerable have already been taken by this thing. I can only hope my belief comes to be truth.
I highly doubt that. 

How many nursing homes and assisted living facilities exist in this country? What percentage of them haven't seen a single infection? I'd say it's >50%, and probably much higher than that. 

How many people in the, say, 40-60 age range are living with severe comorbidities--diabetes, heart problems, obesity [remember this is America]--and how many of them haven't been touched by COVID? 

There's still a veritable green field of vulnerable folks out there. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5463 on: June 19, 2020, 02:32:07 PM »
There's a guy on another site that tracks this weekly:

US Death Total 6/12/20
Nursing Home/Extended Care Deaths: 57,657 (54.6%)
Remaining Population (all ages):           47,913
Total:                                                         105,570
Top 5: Highest State Death Totals:
NY: 24,442
NJ: 12,489
Mass: 7,538
Pennsylvania: 6,162
Illinois: 5,795
 
Total: 56,426 (53.4% of total deaths)



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5464 on: June 19, 2020, 02:38:14 PM »
The economy has to be opened up and we'll just have to take precautions and follow procedure.Too many think they're all right so lets sit it out.Of the people I know who have businesses they are all teetering.My favorite watering hole that has been in business since the '70s in all likely hood will not be reopening.They depended on the weekend crowds with live entertainment but with distancing that is no longer going to pay the bills.The Auto Shops haven't called back their mechanics.Hair salon,same thing





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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5465 on: June 19, 2020, 02:45:09 PM »
And there are about 1.4 to 1.5M people in nursing homes in the US (https://health.usnews.com/health-news/best-nursing-homes/articles/nursing-home-facts-and-statistics). Another page suggested the CDC, when including other residential assisted living facilities, the number is 2.1M.

I don't know how many people in nursing homes have already contracted and recovered from the virus. 

But that means that only about 2.7-4.1% of the nursing home residents in this country have died from coronavirus at this time, depending on which estimate and how they define "nursing home/extended care". 

Seems like there's plenty more that haven't been exposed. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5466 on: June 19, 2020, 03:55:13 PM »
Back of the napkin math -- could be looking at 1-2 million dead before herd immunity is reached naturally.
Lol. I highly doubt that. I think your numbers are off by a lot.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5467 on: June 19, 2020, 03:56:31 PM »
Lol. I highly doubt that. I think your numbers are off by a lot.
They are probably low, actually. 

I went through the math earlier in this thread. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5468 on: June 19, 2020, 03:58:00 PM »

Imagine packing in tens of thousands of fans into a stadium.  A single football weekend could cause a spike similar to the protests.
You don't have to imagine it. It already happened.

If college football happens at all this fall, it won't be with fans in attendance.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5469 on: June 19, 2020, 04:02:30 PM »
Nick Watney withdraws from the PGA tournament this weekend after playing yesterday, has tested positive.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5470 on: June 19, 2020, 04:32:55 PM »
Lol. I highly doubt that. I think your numbers are off by a lot.
Okay, so right now we have 2.28M official confirmed cases and 121K deaths. That's a case fatality rate of 5.3%. 

There haven't been any great antibody studies that I'm aware of. The best at the time was the NY study. Although it was highly criticized for likely not being representative, it suggested a roughly 10x difference in NY between confirmed cases and actual cases. Although some think that's too high, we'll just take that as gospel.

If that's the case, we have about 22.8M cases, including all asymptomatic and mild cases. That of course brings the actual fatality rate down to about 0.53%, or about 5 times the flu. 22.8M cases is about 7% of the population.

If we assume a rough number of 70% infection rate needed to reach herd immunity (values I've seen are in the 60-80% range but 70% makes the math trivially easy) then you assume we have to have 10x the current infection rate to get there. If the fatality rate holds at 0.53%, you end up with 1.21M deaths from Coronavirus.

Obviously these are all back of the envelope calcuations. We don't know if the true infection rate is 10x that of confirmed cases. We don't know if the true herd immunity rate is 70% or 50% or 90%. This is a new virus we've never seen before.

But that's how you easily extrapolate to 1-2M deaths, and I don't think ANY of those logical leaps is a bridge too far. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5472 on: June 19, 2020, 06:30:11 PM »
That’s real carnage. Apple Stores employ about 116 people on average per store. Times that by 11. That’s almost 1,300 people out of a decent paying job with a great company to work for. All of this has a chain reaction. Those 1,300 people are going to struggle to be able to pay their rent, bills, credit cards, car payments- have less disposable income to spend at other businesses. It’s a vicious cycle.
adding 1,300 folks to the nationwide unemployment figure is even going to move the needle?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5473 on: June 19, 2020, 06:35:25 PM »
Well, we have ten weeks left more or less, and I don't see the COVID thing getting better, I see it getting worse.  As CFB teams test their players daily, or close to it, it seems likely to me that one or more will be positive after each test.  Then you have infections arising from exposure to that player in addition to players interacting with other students.  I don't see a way to put a lid on this short of stopping CFB.  We could see some teams ravaged by the virus, not necessarily players being all that symptomatic, but infected and ineligible for two weeks plus.

Many teams might see 20 players positive by September.  Is that overly pessimistic?  College life is ideal for viral spread.  The rest of us can minimize chances of being infected, but college students on campus?  Not so much, and not football players.
even if 40 players test positive, but show no symptoms and seem healthy.  Is that enough reason to shut down a multi billion dollar enterprise?

if 5 players are hospitalized and two players die, then I think it becomes serious
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