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Cincydawg · « **Reply #5362 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:08:41 PM »

Note how they don't mention Georgia.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5363 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:36:17 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on June 17, 2020, 06:06:49 PM

By The New York Times | Source: Johns Hopkins University

I like this chart a little more:

A couple of reasons:

It presents in deaths/1M population, which gives a much more apples to apples comparison since Europe as a whole is more populous than the US.
By lagging the data 12 days, you can actually match the curves and responses much more effectively.

I think this is a better way to look at things than the typical US vs individual Euro countries, because just as the US isn't a monolith, neither is Europe. Aggregating them as a whole brings both the good responses and the bad responses together.

But I still say that we won't know much until we see how Europe actually responds once they reopen. Also whether their "reopening" involves them doing basic mitigation that Americans don't seem to be willing to do, like masks and distancing.

In neither Europe, nor the US, nor China (as we see with the Beijing outbreak) have we gotten anywhere near herd immunity. So everywhere in the world is poised for continued outbreaks if we relax too much.

CWSooner · « **Reply #5364 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:46:46 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 17, 2020, 06:08:41 PM

Note how they don't mention Georgia.

They don't mention Oklahoma either.

That will probably change starting 2 weeks from Saturday, when 1 million (maybe it's 3 million) unmasked people attend a rally in a 19,000-seat arena. My wife saw a picture of the hats that are being sold. "Trump 2020: No Snowflakes."

There's some talk about a different venue--the University of Tulsa's football stadium--but I think it's too late to change.

The venue is downtown, so the courthouse will be closed Friday.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5365 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:48:01 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 17, 2020, 06:08:41 PM

Note how they don't mention Georgia.

Or Wisconsin.

CWSooner · « **Reply #5366 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:48:28 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on June 17, 2020, 06:36:17 PM

I like this chart a little more:

[img width=500 height=245.98]https://i.imgur.com/yqJtyQC.png[/img]

A couple of reasons:

It presents in deaths/1M population, which gives a much more apples to apples comparison since Europe as a whole is more populous than the US.
By lagging the data 12 days, you can actually match the curves and responses much more effectively.

I think this is a better way to look at things than the typical US vs individual Euro countries, because just as the US isn't a monolith, neither is Europe. Aggregating them as a whole brings both the good responses and the bad responses together.

But I still say that we won't know much until we see how Europe actually responds once they reopen. Also whether their "reopening" involves them doing basic mitigation that Americans don't seem to be willing to do, like masks and distancing.

In neither Europe, nor the US, nor China (as we see with the Beijing outbreak) have we gotten anywhere near herd immunity. So everywhere in the world is poised for continued outbreaks if we relax too much.

I like your chart better too.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5367 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:49:14 PM »

Keep wearing your masks, as much as it sucks. It sucks even more when it gets warmer/hot outside. But, just do it.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5368 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:50:53 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on June 17, 2020, 06:06:49 PM

From the NYT.

Of course.

CWSooner · « **Reply #5369 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:51:17 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2020, 06:49:14 PM

Keep wearing your masks, as much as it sucks. It sucks even more when it gets warmer/hot outside. But, just do it.

Man, you are one freedom-killing bastage, Badge!
What will you demand next--that people wash their hands?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5370 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:53:15 PM »

They also don't mention California, whose graphs look pretty darn close to Texas' -- perhaps worse because we were rising the whole time.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5371 on:** June 17, 2020, 06:54:05 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on June 17, 2020, 06:51:17 PM

Man, you are one freedom-killing bastage, Badge!
What will you demand next--that people wash their hands?

I hope this is a game-changer on that.

Can't tell you how many times I've been disgusted by people who leave the men's room without doing so. Even now, I've seen a few. Sickening.

And... no more buffets!! Bonus!!

utee94 · « **Reply #5372 on:** June 17, 2020, 07:01:06 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on June 17, 2020, 06:53:15 PM

They also don't mention California, whose graphs look pretty darn close to Texas' -- perhaps worse because we were rising the whole time.

I feel like California probably locked down "harder" and "longer" than Texas, too? Or maybe that's just my perception based on... nothing?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5373 on:** June 17, 2020, 07:17:41 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on June 17, 2020, 07:01:06 PM

I feel like California probably locked down "harder" and "longer" than Texas, too? Or maybe that's just my perception based on... nothing?

Tough to say, really. I think we locked down earlier. I think the Bay Area has remained a lot more locked down than a lot of places.

But as I posted here over these many months, we had things like people swarming the beaches followed by people angrily protesting in Huntington Beach due to beach closures. We had restaurants here in Orange County choosing to open in complete violation of the guidelines and daring the county to do anything about it (which they wouldn't, because Orange County hates Newsome). I can say that there were people performing services (like hair, nails, etc) under the radar in their homes which wasn't allowed. And our County Health Director resigned after getting protesters at her house and a death threat for mandating masks.

I don't really trust that people took the lockdown seriously after a few weeks. And as I mentioned about going to our wine bar during their soft reopen 2 1/2 weeks ago vs going last Friday, things like mask usage just seemed to disappear. Literally I felt like everyone was looking at me like *I* was the asshole for daring to wear a mask.

So... Yeah. That's your perception, and it's valid based on what Californians were supposed to be doing. It just doesn't really describe what they were actually doing.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #5374 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:54:56 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2020, 06:48:01 PM

Or Wisconsin.

Georgia, Oklahoma and Wisconsin. Red Uniforms. Easy as pie to not be political- and stick to football. 😂😂😂

MrNubbz · « **Reply #5375 on:** June 17, 2020, 09:34:40 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2020, 06:54:05 PM

I hope this is a game-changer on that.

Can't tell you how many times I've been disgusted by people who leave the men's room without doing so. Even now, I've seen a few. Sickening.

And... no more buffets!! Bonus!!

Oh yeah for at least 3 decades I haven't touched the community bowls on the pub tables/bar.Just takes one

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