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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5320 on: June 17, 2020, 11:32:26 AM »
Georgia is up some, but not nearly that much, and was first to reopen.  I don't think it is JUST reopening, there are other factors at play.

I was at the dentist this morning, they have really changed their procedures, but I think their workers are at risk of exposure.  I had droplets flying all over the place during my cleaning.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5321 on: June 17, 2020, 11:33:57 AM »
Texas numbers are very concerning. Over 4,000 yesterday.
Yep I agree
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5322 on: June 17, 2020, 11:42:33 AM »
Yep I agree
Lots of worrying numbers out there.  Arizona is setting off alarm bells, too.

All of this while the kids are home from school. 

Meanwhile, other places that have opened up are doing far better.  Do you have any insight as to why Texas and AZ seem to on the rise?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5323 on: June 17, 2020, 11:57:36 AM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/group-tests-positive-florida-bar/index.html

16 cases because young people went to a bar together for a celebration, without masks, without distancing, and all ended up positive. 

I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5324 on: June 17, 2020, 11:58:31 AM »
I saw Minnesota was jumping also.  At times, articles focus on red states ONLY or blue states ONLY to try and make some political point, instead of discussing the full picture, which is more confusing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5325 on: June 17, 2020, 12:10:43 PM »
I saw Minnesota was jumping also.  At times, articles focus on red states ONLY or blue states ONLY to try and make some political point, instead of discussing the full picture, which is more confusing.
I don't read any articles, I only look at the numbers. 

TX and AZ are the most concerning.

tier2:

CA, FL, NC

on the radar:
VA, IL, AL, TN, SC, LA

Mix of red and blue states, as you can see.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5326 on: June 17, 2020, 12:16:23 PM »
One also could claim the protests are the cause of these upticks.  I don't, because the data aren't there, but it is one possibility.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5327 on: June 17, 2020, 12:20:41 PM »


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/coronavirus-live-updates.html?fbclid=IwAR3sYdfL2X_fwqG5p8Zqm5FNvALItdeg_B2V30EFf7Lrltmn0mpdci4XlvU

You can see the NY area and LA/MI hard hit earlier are doing comparatively better now.  This charts cases since reopening as a percentage of all cases.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5328 on: June 17, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »
if only a state opening up was the only factor                               protests

not sure why Minn Tex Ca are having an increase in cases             protests

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5329 on: June 17, 2020, 12:22:34 PM »
Austin Metro cases trending up in the 20-29 age group, trending down in the the 40-49 age group, and holding steady in most other groups.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5330 on: June 17, 2020, 12:32:24 PM »
GA cases are up from about 600 to about 900 per day, hospitalizations are up maybe 5% over the same period, so more cases, less severe.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5331 on: June 17, 2020, 12:32:36 PM »
I don't read any articles, I only look at the numbers. 

TX and AZ are the most concerning.

tier2:

CA, FL, NC

on the radar:
VA, IL, AL, TN, SC, LA

Mix of red and blue states, as you can see.
IMHO Florida should be tier 1. Their numbers are flat out SPIKING right now, not just rising. If you look both at daily numbers and the 7-day moving average, it's like it's turning exponential again. 

Texas, with the exception of the huge spike yesterday, hasn't shown anything that makes me think they should be tier 1. If you look at their 7-day moving average, it's following basically the same trend as CA. Meandering higher each day, but not changing slope. And that one-day spike looks to me like it might have some sort of reporting anomaly, and may not reflect a single-day jump. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5332 on: June 17, 2020, 12:38:34 PM »
One also could claim the protests are the cause of these upticks.  I don't, because the data aren't there, but it is one possibility.
I think the lag is even beyond 10-14 days. Remember that exponentials look small at first, and when R0 starts getting above 1, it's an exponential.

Let's say 10 protesters at a 10,000 person protest had COVID-19. Each of those protesters infects 10 people--which might be high or low in that sort of environment. That's 100 people.

Well, a week or even later (considering a several-day lag between an administered test and getting results) those 100 people infected by 10 will be barely a blip in the radar.

Now let's say that right before those 100 people started showing symptoms, they've infected 3 people each before quarantining. Given that they were willing to go out in public protesting, maybe they're not exactly social distancing well anyway. So now you get 300 more cases, but again it takes another week+ for those 300 to show up. You barely start to see a turn in the trendline. 

When those 300 infect another 900, and when those 900 infect another 2700, then you start seeing the numbers turn in big enough ways to really notice. But now you're a good 4 weeks post-protest before you've seen the numbers reflect the spread that occurred at those protests.

We're impatient. If we want to blame protests we think we should see 2700 cases pop up within 7 days of protests starting... That's not exactly how exponential curves of infectious diseases look.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5333 on: June 17, 2020, 12:41:03 PM »
if only a state opening up was the only factor                              protests

not sure why Minn Tex Ca are having an increase in cases            protests


Yes, protests are part of it.  Where did someone say it wasn't? 

The way you go about this is disgusting, though.  It's like you're cheering for it to be protests more than the entirety of a state re-opening.  Stop cheerleading your narrative.  Follow the EVIDENCE.  At least pretend to be impartial.  
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