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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4844 on: June 05, 2020, 02:19:56 PM »
Sir Richard Dearlove said he had seen an "important" new scientific report suggesting the virus did not emerge naturally but was man-made by Chinese scientists.

OK, where is this report?  If it's scientific, it was published somewhere.  He's former head so it's not as if it is an MI6 report.

Basically, I don't view this as evidence at all as compared with numerous scientific reports asserting otherwise and explaining their rationale.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4845 on: June 05, 2020, 02:28:13 PM »
Sir Richard Dearlove said he had seen an "important" new scientific report suggesting the virus did not emerge naturally but was man-made by Chinese scientists.

OK, where is this report?  If it's scientific, it was published somewhere.  He's former head so it's not as if it is an MI6 report.

Basically, I don't view this as evidence at all as compared with numerous scientific reports asserting otherwise and explaining their rationale.
"I do think that this started as an accident," Sir Richard told the Telegraph, citing a peer-reviewed paper by Professor Angus Dalgleish of St George's Hospital at the University of London, and the Norwegian virologist Birger Sorensen.



6-1  Israeli geneticist, Dr Ronen Shemesh, who is working on treatment for COVID-19, said in his opinion the virus was more likely created in a laboratory than evolved naturally in nature.


“There are many reasons to believe that the COVID-19 generating SARS-CoV-2 was generated in a lab.  Most probably by methods of genetic engineering,” he said.  

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/scientists-say-covid19-cooked-up-in-lab/news-story/242c5f9fd14f162dea67f166bcabd985



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4846 on: June 05, 2020, 02:36:59 PM »
I'd like to read the actual publications.

I've looked over several others that, to me, were persuasive.  This Shemesh fellow doesn't seem to have much history on google.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4847 on: June 05, 2020, 02:38:37 PM »
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/no-evidence-covid19-manmade-mi6-government-a4459971.html

“Both the Health Secretary and the Chief Medical Officer’s office have spoken about this previously and have said that we have seen no evidence that the virus is man-made.”
He added: “There will need to be an independent inquiry to establish precisely how this virus spread and when.”
The virus is widely believed to have started spreading in the Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4848 on: June 05, 2020, 02:45:57 PM »
https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2020/06/04/the-report-has-not-yet-been-accepted-for-publication-in-any-scientific-journal-and-im-not-surprised-cos-its-obvious-bollocks/

So, I can't find the publication because it hasn't been published, which no doubt will lead to conspiracy theories as well.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4849 on: June 05, 2020, 02:50:57 PM »
43% of all COVID deaths in the US were at nursing homes. Nursing home population is less than .6% of the US population. The remaining 57% of deaths were 99% old as shit people. This is an obvious exaggeration but not by much.

This disease was nowhere near as bad as the hype. I am afraid it’s all it’s done is caused people to not take serious a next virus- which could be way more lethal to the young and healthy. People might say oh you guys cried wolf last time, F off. 

This disease kills the old and sick, and they shut down an entire country and ruined the strongest economy in the history of this nation because of panic and mass hysteria.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4850 on: June 05, 2020, 03:09:15 PM »
I'd like to read the actual publications.

I've looked over several others that, to me, were persuasive.  This Shemesh fellow doesn't seem to have much history on google.


It's not published, but has been peer-reviewed. So it will likely be published.

The other guy has been around for a while. Seems to have an impressive background, with a Ph.D. in Genetics and Molecular Biology.

That's a STEM field, for those wondering, but I digress.

https://ruprecht.dk/monitor/two-unusual-covid-19-features-convincing-scientists-it-was-man-made/


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4851 on: June 05, 2020, 03:22:27 PM »
Peer reviewed can of course mean it was shot down and won't be published.  It happens.  It probably should happen more often.  Some peer reviewers give a rather cursory look at it as it takes quite a bit of time to really review any scientific paper.

And there are SO many journals today out there just about anything can get published.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4852 on: June 05, 2020, 03:28:11 PM »

This disease was nowhere near as bad as the hype. I am afraid it’s all it’s done is caused people to not take serious a next virus- which could be way more lethal to the young and healthy. People might say oh you guys cried wolf last time, F off.

It's probably a perspective thing, but I don't know that I totally buy this. 

Most of the folks making this point have been highly skeptical to begin with. They didn't trust the experts and grabbed onto scraps they saw insisting it probably wasn't that bad. So my assumption is that unless they're high-end epidemiologists (not as far as I know), they would've had the same reaction even if it had been more serious. 

There was an interesting line I heard somewhere that people underprepare for the first disaster and overprepare after that. Maybe it'll flip here. I also wonder what the level of deadliness would have to be to hit that panic point. 10 percent? 5 percent? Chances are we'll have some level of fair warning. It'll be interesting and sad.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4853 on: June 05, 2020, 03:38:20 PM »
I think it was about as bad as the hype, if you look at the mainstream hype.  Had we not taken aggressive measures here, the death toll would have been higher obviously, probably 150,000 or more.  We arguably could have responded differently, I've come to think the face mask is much more effective than we thought in March.  And of course the clock is still running on this, we're by no means over it and won't be until an effective safe vaccine is widely employed.

I'm curious as to how Germany has done so well in this, I've read a few "analyses" that were unconvincing and politically oriented.

I think the Asian nations have managed because they are used to this sort of thing and wearing a mask is common.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4854 on: June 05, 2020, 03:41:07 PM »
I think it was about as bad as the hype, if you look at the mainstream hype.  Had we not taken aggressive measures here, the death toll would have been higher obviously, probably 150,000 or more.  We arguably could have responded differently, I've come to think the face mask is much more effective than we thought in March.  And of course the clock is still running on this, we're by no means over it and won't be until an effective safe vaccine is widely employed.

I'm curious as to how Germany has done so well in this, I've read a few "analyses" that were unconvincing and politically oriented.

I think the Asian nations have managed because they are used to this sort of thing and wearing a mask is common.
How large is the old population in Germany and are nursing homes prevalent there. Your answers probably lie somewhere in there.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4855 on: June 05, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
Their case count is remarkably low.  Germany is a neighbor to France which was hit very hard.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4856 on: June 05, 2020, 03:44:31 PM »
I guess I am being a fool between living in the barely locked-down Arizona where the cases are sky rocketing because our governor is Foolishly loosening things up and now I have booked an Alaskan cruise on the hot bed of all COVID-19 places a cruise ship in August. OMG what am I doing, how can I be so stupid and you know I am just causing the spread of the virus. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4857 on: June 05, 2020, 04:08:06 PM »
Germany probably has the best health care system in Europe, based on my conversations with people I know in Europe.

Ours is damn good too.
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