header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 344 345 [346] 347 348 ... 1378   Go Down
Author

Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

 (Read 771425 times)

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9342
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4830 on: June 05, 2020, 10:26:41 AM »
Logged
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

rolltidefan

  • Global Moderator
  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 2219
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4831 on: June 05, 2020, 10:27:10 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 05, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
I share your concern but the odds are huge against any player having a serious bout with the virus and the fact is if 5 are positive then
the majority of the team may have already had it

do we actually know if they are testing the whole team and if so what the results are

they should do antibody tests on every player
agreed with most of this.

i'd wager a significant portion of the populations has already had it and had no idea.

as for testing the whole team, i think they are, but don't know for certain. as for the antibodies, agreed. not just players either, i'd be for just about everyone getting tested.
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4832 on: June 05, 2020, 10:35:34 AM »
There is a private clinic I use back in Illinois, that is doing both tests. I'll go there soon after I get back. There are some public ones too, but they are only doing the China virus test, not antibody.
Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

CWSooner

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 6052
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4833 on: June 05, 2020, 12:45:35 PM »

  • As of Thursday night, 1,872,660 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in the United States (an increase of 21,140 from yesterday) and 108,211 deaths have been attributed to the virus (an increase of 1,036 from yesterday), according to the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard, leading to a mortality rate among confirmed cases of 5.8 percent (the true mortality rate is likely much lower, between 0.4 percent and 1.4 percent, but it’s impossible to determine precisely due to incomplete testing regimens). Of 18,680,529 coronavirus tests conducted in the United States (465,579 conducted since yesterday), 10 percent have come back positive.
  • . . .
  • A widely cited study showing that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have potentially fatal health consequences has been retracted, with three out of its four authors saying they could “no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.” . . .

Logged
Play Like a Champion Today

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4834 on: June 05, 2020, 12:48:58 PM »
I'd like to see this retraction widely reported.

They closed the retractions with an apology:
Quote
We all entered this collaboration to contribute in good faith and at a time of great need during the COVID-19 pandemic. We deeply apologise to you, the editors, and the journal readership for any embarrassment or inconvenience that this may have caused.
In a linked statement, The Lancet called for rapid investigation into Surgisphere, saying:
Quote
The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.

Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4835 on: June 05, 2020, 01:46:02 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on April 29, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
I really don't get all of the conspiracy stuff.

Do I think China lied about their numbers?  Sure I do.  That's pretty well documented.

Do I think that China's lack of safety regulations probably played a part in this virus transmitting to humans?  Looks like it.

Do I think the US was woefully unprepared for a pandemic as far as economic, medical, and public response?  Absolutely.  But so were a lot of other countries.  Learn from it and move on.

Do I think that China tanked the worlds economy and their own for... reasons? - No, and I have seen zero evidence that supports this weird theory.

Do I think this virus "escaped from a lab?" No, that's ridiculous nonsense and a quick Google search will bring up quite a few peer reviewed scientific articles on why that isn't the case.

Do I think that somehow this virus was started in China to bring down Donald Trump? No, that's horse patooey. 

Pandemics have happened before, and they will happen again.  Sometimes sh!t happens.  That's it.  There is no WHY.  It just happened.

So...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ex-mi6-boss-says-coronavirus-likely-engineered-in-wuhan-lab

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/former-mi6-head-covid-19-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-630346


A former head of MI6 has said he believes the coronavirus pandemic "started as an accident" when the virus escaped from a laboratory in China. 

In an interview with The Telegraph, Sir Richard Dearlove said he had seen an "important" new scientific report suggesting the virus did not emerge naturally but was man-made by Chinese scientists.


"Of course, the Chinese must have felt, well, if they've got to suffer a pandemic maybe we shouldn't try too hard to stop, as it were, our competitors suffering the same disadvantages we've got.

"Look, the Chinese understand us extremely well. They have made a study of us over the last decade or longer, particularly through attending our universities. We understand the Chinese very poorly. It's an imbalanced relationship in that respect."



Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17718
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4836 on: June 05, 2020, 01:47:04 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 05, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
and I know of 4 people (related to me) who had it and didnt even know it

Yes, two people I know directly that have had it, and never knew it until the test came back positive.

As for me, I am negative for antibodies, which is what I expected but man, kinda woulda been nice to think I'd had it and just never knew.
Logged

Big Beef Tacosupreme

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 930
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4837 on: June 05, 2020, 01:51:50 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 05, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
and I know of 4 people (related to me) who had it and didnt even know it

It depends on whether or not you develop pneumonia.

I think I read that 35% of people show no symptoms.
Logged

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71627
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4838 on: June 05, 2020, 01:55:25 PM »
There is a thing called a "cytokine explosion" that can happens in people who have very active immune systems and can get bad quickly.

It's rather interesting.  

My kid in Texas was pretty sick for 4-5 days, short of breath in particular.
Logged

Big Beef Tacosupreme

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 930
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4839 on: June 05, 2020, 01:59:08 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
So...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ex-mi6-boss-says-coronavirus-likely-engineered-in-wuhan-lab

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/former-mi6-head-covid-19-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-630346


A former head of MI6 has said he believes the coronavirus pandemic "started as an accident" when the virus escaped from a laboratory in China.

In an interview with The Telegraph, Sir Richard Dearlove said he had seen an "important" new scientific report suggesting the virus did not emerge naturally but was man-made by Chinese scientists.


"Of course, the Chinese must have felt, well, if they've got to suffer a pandemic maybe we shouldn't try too hard to stop, as it were, our competitors suffering the same disadvantages we've got.

"Look, the Chinese understand us extremely well. They have made a study of us over the last decade or longer, particularly through attending our universities. We understand the Chinese very poorly. It's an imbalanced relationship in that respect."




So a former MI6 guy's opinion counters a broad body of scientific evidence to the contrary?

I'm not so convinced.
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4840 on: June 05, 2020, 02:01:22 PM »
Did you read the full articles? It ain't just one guy.


This is going to get ugly for China. Very ugly.
Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71627
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4841 on: June 05, 2020, 02:01:29 PM »
The analyses I've read on the virus convince me it is not artificial, was not produced as any kind of bioweapon in any lab.  It is possible it was being studied in a lab and escaped.

Bats are fascinating in that they have a highly developed immune system and viruses don't generally kill them, so the virus can spread.  A pathogen with a high mortality rate will burn itself out quickly.  When one of these becomes zoonotic, humans will have issues.
Logged

Big Beef Tacosupreme

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 930
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4842 on: June 05, 2020, 02:13:40 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
Did you read the full articles? It ain't just one guy.


This is going to get ugly for China. Very ugly.
Yes. Not a single stand of evidence, all conjecture. 
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4843 on: June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM »
Do you want me to bookmark this again?

Last time you said there were no credible thoughts on this. Now there are. There will be more.

Sir Dearlove carries a lot of credibility with him.
Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!
Pages: 1 ... 344 345 [346] 347 348 ... 1378   Go Up
« previous next »
 
Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.
FAFO No Trespassing Sign

Smokey Record TShirt