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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4746 on: June 03, 2020, 11:33:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2020, 11:27:32 AM
Let's hold off on the names of the politicians please.
I don't see how that's controversial at all. Which President permanently normalized trade relations with China and pushed them into the WTO? Bill Clinton. He's hardly the only to blame, it was both parties and many many many politicians that went along with this and many other disastrous trade policies that severely hurt the average American worker but helped US multi-nationals immensely.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4747 on: June 03, 2020, 11:37:17 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 03, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
I see little realistic chance China doesn't "win", short of some internal revolution there.  They see to it that the average Joe sees his life gets a little better each year, it's not hard to do.  They remain quiescent, and the "central committee" controls the economy.  It's efficient so long as they don't make obvious mistakes or need to appease the masses as they do in say France.

Macron can't do much because the unions will shut the country down.  That doesn't happen in China.
China has an innovation problem. I think as long as they are told what to think, and told what to say, and only allowed to operate within a box that the government limits them too- they will never truly innovate. China isn't creating new and great technologies. They are ripping them off from US and EU companies.

Innovation is what has kept America at the forefront of the world. As long as America can keep innovating, they will stay there.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4748 on: June 03, 2020, 11:43:03 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 03, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
True, the fields aren't level. That doesn't change the fact that Americans are soft.

The more apt analogy for us would be an athlete who really didn't put in the work, and really didn't devote their entire self to their craft, and really wasn't all that good, complaining that the athlete who did all those things PLUS took steroids beat them out because of the steroids.

We're worried about technology transfer to China, but nowhere near enough Americans are going into STEM careers to create new technology worth stealing from us.
Again, this isn't exactly true.

Chinese firms are able to do business in the US openly and freely. Chinese firms are allowed access to get listed on our stock exchanges. Take Luckin Coffee for example- a company that has literally never done a shred of business in the US- they haven't ever given away a cup of water in the US let alone sold a cup of coffee here- yet they are listed on the NASDAQ. Can US companies do business openly and freely in China? Hell no. Can US companies get listed on Chinese stock exchanges? Hell no. Chinese investors are able to easily and freely invest in the US. Are US investors allowed openly, freely, and easily into China? Hell no.

Do Chinese businesses in China have to pay their labor what US companies have to in the US? Do Chinese businesses have to deal with costly environmental, work-safety, litany of insurances, and state/local/fed regulations in China that US companies have to deal with in the US? No.

It's not an apples to apples comparison at all.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4749 on: June 03, 2020, 12:40:36 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 03, 2020, 11:33:50 AM

We're worried about technology transfer to China, but nowhere near enough Americans are going into STEM careers to create new technology worth stealing from us.
I may have mentioned this, but STEM back in my Illinois area is now referred to as STEAM.

The "A" is for arts.

One of those is NOT like the other, but the arts faculty felt inferior and demanded they be included.

I shit you not. And it's bulljive.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4750 on: June 03, 2020, 02:23:52 PM »
hah, the arts faculty wanted their participation medal!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4751 on: June 03, 2020, 02:41:03 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4752 on: June 03, 2020, 02:57:31 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
I may have mentioned this, but STEM back in my Illinois area is now referred to as STEAM.

The "A" is for arts.

One of those is NOT like the other, but the arts faculty felt inferior and demanded they be included.

I shit you not. And it's bulljive.
They've done that here as well.

I'm a huge fan of the arts, in high school I was in band, orchestra, choir, and drama.  Those are all important.

But they're not the same as STEM.  There's a specific reason for focusing on STEM, as bwar alluded to earlier.  Including the arts in that acronym dilutes the message and blurs the focus.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4753 on: June 03, 2020, 02:58:35 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4754 on: June 03, 2020, 03:01:19 PM »
Given that STEM is just a convenient acronym, does making it STEAM change anything in reality?

You still get a degree in whatever.  I think my college diploma just says Bachelor of Science.  My other diploma says "Philosophy".

I'm a philosopher apparently.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4755 on: June 03, 2020, 03:12:26 PM »
COVID19 swab test came back negative.

I should have the antibody results within the next couple of days



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4756 on: June 03, 2020, 03:17:39 PM »
Do they email you the results?  I guess it's either one or the other, no maybe?

It would be nice to see a wide scale AB test result for say 10,000 people randomly chosen.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4757 on: June 03, 2020, 03:30:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 03, 2020, 03:17:39 PM
Do they email you the results?  I guess it's either one or the other, no maybe?

It would be nice to see a wide scale AB test result for say 10,000 people randomly chosen.
They put the results in the patient portal which is secured by standard login with username and password.  They tend to not email sensitive medical test results, as email is not secure.

And for the swab test they state that a positive is pretty much a guaranteed positive, but a negative is not a guarantee and that you should continue to self-quarantine for a full 2 weeks past initial exposure, or for 3 days beyond symptoms, whichever comes last.

Since I never had any symptoms and we're beyond 2 weeks past my exposure, I guess I'm free to move about the cabin.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4758 on: June 03, 2020, 03:45:16 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 03, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
Given that STEM is just a convenient acronym, does making it STEAM change anything in reality?

You still get a degree in whatever.  I think my college diploma just says Bachelor of Science.  My other diploma says "Philosophy".

I'm a philosopher apparently.


It's always kinda bugged my, the whole Ph.D. thing.

I worked for a guy who had a Ph.D. in Civil Engineering. I know have one in Chemistry. You deserve to be referred to as Doctor CDawg. In fact, I might start calling you that around here.

I see people running around proudly proclaiming themselves "Doctors", with a Ph.D. in Art History or some such.

They are not equal. Not by any stretch.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4759 on: June 03, 2020, 03:46:42 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on June 03, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
They put the results in the patient portal which is secured by standard login with username and password.  They tend to not email sensitive medical test results, as email is not secure.

And for the swab test they state that a positive is pretty much a guaranteed positive, but a negative is not a guarantee and that you should continue to self-quarantine for a full 2 weeks past initial exposure, or for 3 days beyond symptoms, whichever comes last.

Since I never had any symptoms and we're beyond 2 weeks past my exposure, I guess I'm free to move about the cabin.
Congrats. I'd still sit tight until you can buy an "I HAVE THE ANTIBODY" T-shirt though.
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