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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4606 on: June 02, 2020, 11:40:16 AM »
You got it from Trump, who made it up.  C'mon, man.
Please stop with the fake news and blaming Trump. A group of scientist came out and showed evidence that the virus does not live as long on surfaces in the heat. They had proof. That doesn’t mean much of anything besides what they said but it wasn’t made up so quit it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4607 on: June 02, 2020, 11:45:11 AM »
Listen, a lot of people were hopeful that it would decrease in the summer, because we know there are lots of viruses [like the flu] which do that. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4608 on: June 02, 2020, 11:52:59 AM »
Listen, a lot of people were hopeful that it would decrease in the summer, because we know there are lots of viruses [like the flu] which do that.


I'm not so sure why folks on here believe there's evidence to the contrary, citing Florida Texas and California?.  I haven't looked at Cali's numbers, but in Florida and Texas-- where the states began opening up over 4 weeks ago-- hospitalizations and deaths are not skyrocketing.  They're pretty steady  despite some volatility in the data.

That doesn't necessarily suggest that the heat diminishes the virus, but it also doesn't suggest that it has zero effect.  We could even speculate that the steadiness of the numbers indicates that the heat DOES have some effect, because I'd expect the hospitalizations and deaths to trend upward after opening up, but we're not really seeing that, so it could be that the heat is countering that.  I'm not saying that's a certainty, but I believe it's a reasonable hypothesis at this point. 

More than that, though, what I really wonder, is how effective does the virus transmit in the open air, in the sunlight, in public places?  The media assured us that the Spring Break revelry on the beaches in Florida and Texas spelled certain disaster for case counts in those states, but that never really materialized.  It's plausible that the virus just doesn't transmit well in the open air with sunlight, heat, and wind.  Again, not saying that's a certain thing, but we have at least some evidence that expected flare-ups never occurred.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4609 on: June 02, 2020, 12:30:17 PM »
Sunlight (UV) deactivates the virus, clearly, I don't know how quickly, but probably in minutes.

The issue with seasons could well be how our nasal passages change with the dry heat in our homes in winter.

I think the main transmission is either direct contact or via a sneeze/cough cloud, not from surfaces.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4610 on: June 02, 2020, 12:31:54 PM »
I'm not so sure why folks on here believe there's evidence to the contrary, citing Florida Texas and California?.  I haven't looked at Cali's numbers, but in Florida and Texas-- where the states began opening up over 4 weeks ago-- hospitalizations and deaths are not skyrocketing.  They're pretty steady  despite some volatility in the data.
California cases keep going up, and deaths have stayed constant. 

I think seasonally the flu would be dropping off by now, whereas COVID-19 is continuing to spread without much trouble. 

One of the reasons that it was originally thrown out there was that CA/FL/TX didn't get hit as hard as NY/NJ/MI/IL etc. About the only outlier getting hit hard in a warm-weather state was Louisiana. The thought was that weather might have been one of the reasons those states weren't hit hard, and that as things warmed up, those states would drop to near-zero.

Heat may have an impact, but generally this thing isn't going "away" for the summer as people were originally hoping.


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More than that, though, what I really wonder, is how effective does the virus transmit in the open air, in the sunlight, in public places?  The media assured us that the Spring Break revelry on the beaches in Florida and Texas spelled certain disaster for case counts in those states, but that never really materialized.  It's plausible that the virus just doesn't transmit well in the open air with sunlight, heat, and wind.  Again, not saying that's a certain thing, but we have at least some evidence that expected flare-ups never occurred.

I have been reading more that transmission is a little harder than thought, i.e. that it generally requires 10-15 minutes in an enclosed space with an infected person to have high likelihood of transmission. The CDC considers these guidelines to call yourself "exposed"
these guidelines to call yourself "exposed" if it's not someone in your household, in your care, or an intimate partner:


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Individual who has had close contact (< 6 feet)** for a prolonged period of time ***

***Data are insufficient to precisely define the duration of time that constitutes a prolonged exposure. Recommendations vary on the length of time of exposure but 15 min of close exposure can be used as an operational definition. In healthcare settings, it is reasonable to define a prolonged exposure as any exposure greater than a few minutes because the contact is someone who is ill. Brief interactions are less likely to result in transmission; however, symptoms and the type of interaction (e.g., did the person cough directly into the face of the individual) remain important.


I think if you're walking along the beach and you pass within 6 feet of someone with COVID-19, it wouldn't be considered exposure or high likelihood of transmission. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4611 on: June 02, 2020, 12:43:07 PM »
I suspect if you shake hands with an infected person who may have coughed or rubbed his nose, and then you rub your nose ....

That probably is how my kid got it.

If it were truly that infections from hard surfaces, we'd have far more cases by now.  If everyone would wear a mask, it would limit the size of any sneeze cloud.  My GUESS is we'll end up there in September, students go back wearing masks when out and washing hands and that's it, the elderly stay pretty much locked down.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4612 on: June 02, 2020, 12:49:09 PM »
You got it from Trump, who made it up.  C'mon, man.
I think I read it on the CDC website, or something like that.

I haven't watched a press conference in probably 3 months, or any TV in about 5 weeks.
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« Reply #4613 on: June 02, 2020, 12:59:09 PM »
This was way back.  Nevermind, you guys are in the bubble.  I apologize for trespassing in your echo chamber.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4614 on: June 02, 2020, 01:01:01 PM »
California cases keep going up, and deaths have stayed constant.

I think seasonally the flu would be dropping off by now, whereas COVID-19 is continuing to spread without much trouble.

One of the reasons that it was originally thrown out there was that CA/FL/TX didn't get hit as hard as NY/NJ/MI/IL etc. About the only outlier getting hit hard in a warm-weather state was Louisiana. The thought was that weather might have been one of the reasons those states weren't hit hard, and that as things warmed up, those states would drop to near-zero.

Heat may have an impact, but generally this thing isn't going "away" for the summer as people were originally hoping.


I have been reading more that transmission is a little harder than thought, i.e. that it generally requires 10-15 minutes in an enclosed space with an infected person to have high likelihood of transmission. The CDC considers these guidelines to call yourself &quot;exposed&quot;
these guidelines to call yourself "exposed" if it's not someone in your household, in your care, or an intimate partner:



I think if you're walking along the beach and you pass within 6 feet of someone with COVID-19, it wouldn't be considered exposure or high likelihood of transmission.


I think the fact that Florida and Texas opened over a month ago, and hospitalizations/deaths haven't climbed significantly, is a decent indicator that the heat DOES have some effect.  But again, that's just my hypothesis.

And for sure, as I've stated many times, I don't think this is ever "going away."  I suspect it'll remain around indefinitely like other coronaviruses have.  Its effects will diminish over time as the population becomes saturated with it.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4615 on: June 02, 2020, 01:03:19 PM »
Please stop with the fake news and blaming Trump. A group of scientist came out and showed evidence that the virus does not live as long on surfaces in the heat. They had proof. That doesn’t mean much of anything besides what they said but it wasn’t made up so quit it
It wasn't heat, it was ultraviolet radiation.

You may remember Trump's gaff about putting light inside the body or somesuch.

The Coronavirus is actually stubbornly resistant to heat according to WHO.  It requires temperatures of 56C (133F) to be destroyed.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4616 on: June 02, 2020, 01:05:24 PM »
this President says many things that aren't accurate, he's been doing that for decades before he became President

that's not newsworthy

the media and other asshats taking what the Pres says and twisting into something it's not,  is just an attempt to further their hatred

but, I suppose it makes them feel better about themselves
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4617 on: June 02, 2020, 01:06:14 PM »
It wasn't heat, it was ultraviolet radiation.

You may remember Trump's gaff about putting light inside the body or somesuch.

The Coronavirus is actually stubbornly resistant to heat according to WHO.  It requires temperatures of 56C (133F) to be destroyed.
I thought he was proposing drinking Lysol? Not sure how one might swallow a UV light...


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4618 on: June 02, 2020, 01:08:00 PM »
Southern hemisphere is in Fall season now, heading into Winter.

I haven't looked at their numbers, nor have I followed them.
Brazil was in the 80s until just this week.  It was a valid comparison.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4619 on: June 02, 2020, 01:09:01 PM »
Please stop with the fake news and blaming Trump. A group of scientist came out and showed evidence that the virus does not live as long on surfaces in the heat. They had proof. That doesn’t mean much of anything besides what they said but it wasn’t made up so quit it
UV rays aren't the same as heat.  
Trump said maybe the heat, he said it'll just disappear like a miracle, he's said dozens of nonsensical crap and you defend him, blindly.  Open your eyes.
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