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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4494 on: May 29, 2020, 06:27:04 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 05:59:37 PM
People don't like being told what to do.
People don't like being lied to.
1 - adults like being treated like adults, even when they don't act like adults
2 - people don't like being lied to because they always fall for it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4495 on: May 29, 2020, 06:29:19 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on May 29, 2020, 06:03:01 PM
If you think Americans would have made good choices in the absence of lockdowns... I don't know that we'll ever see eye to eye.

This is America. 98% of the population would think "well, everyone else is following the guidelines and staying home, so I guess it's okay if *I* go out", and then we'd all be f****d because 98% of the population would make zero changes to their behavior.
Yes, this.  
Every individual thinks he or she is the exception.  Whether it's being the last one, running that red light or flubbing that paperwork in our favor.....everyone thinks they deserve to be the last one in the lifeboat.

It's infuriating.  And common.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4496 on: May 29, 2020, 06:29:32 PM »
With freedom comes responsibility.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4497 on: May 29, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 29, 2020, 06:26:07 PM
I view nihilism as a big nothing, it's really too much for me personally.  I like eggs daily.  And bacon.

And grits.
What would one grit be?
There must be a large grit lobby in the South convincing people to eat those things.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4498 on: May 29, 2020, 06:30:12 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 29, 2020, 06:09:03 PM
In the end, I’ve been worn down to the point of nihilism. Everyone go do what they want. If those people are fine, wonderful, and if they’re not, they got what they wanted and a bunch of people who couldn’t avoid exposure even if they wanted to become collateral damage.
Yeah, this is called anarchy.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4499 on: May 29, 2020, 06:32:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 29, 2020, 06:29:19 PM
Yes, this. 
Every individual thinks he or she is the exception.  Whether it's being the last one, running that red light or flubbing that paperwork in our favor.....everyone thinks they deserve to be the last one in the lifeboat.

It's infuriating.  And common.
It's humanity.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4500 on: May 29, 2020, 06:35:15 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 29, 2020, 06:09:03 PM
In the end, I’ve been worn down to the point of nihilism. Everyone go do what they want. If those people are fine, wonderful, and if they’re not, they got what they wanted and a bunch of people who couldn’t avoid exposure even if they wanted to become collateral damage.
I get what you're saying but when there is literally very little evidence HERE to warrant the damage done by something that looks more and more out of proportion to the reality of the situation then people who have kids/wives/families and shuttered businesses are more than willing to take that chance
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4501 on: May 29, 2020, 06:38:06 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 06:05:20 PM
Don't even have to go that far back. Go back to the Hong Kong flu in 1968-1969 which killed over 100,000+ people in just under a year. Extrapolate the numbers and adjust to the US population today and that number would be 250,000+ people dead in just under a year.

The US never closed down shit back then. We were a way tougher people back in the day. Everyone is a f***king pansy today. Pussification of America will be the downfall of America.
so the worst flu in more than 50 years killed 100,000, eh?

Tell me how many dead in America these last 8 weeks?  How many more if there was no lockdown?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4502 on: May 29, 2020, 06:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
True. People keep electing these dummies. I don't get it. I guess these politicians are just very good at marketing and lying. They hire great PR firms and spend shit loads of money on ads.
They are actually terrible at lying.  It doesn't matter, because people root for politics like they root for their sports team.  I will never understand politician worship.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4503 on: May 29, 2020, 06:45:37 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 29, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
I would also assume people back then were considerably more trusting of authority than we are now.
In the USA back in the day deservedly so - IMO
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4504 on: May 29, 2020, 06:48:30 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 06:44:43 PM
They are actually terrible at lying.  It doesn't matter, because people root for politics like they root for their sports team.  I will never understand politician worship.
Yeah, this is pretty much true and sad. I know a lot of people who root for Republicans no matter what and root for Democrats no matter what. Makes zero sense to me.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4505 on: May 29, 2020, 06:51:41 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
so the worst flu in more than 50 years killed 100,000, eh?

Tell me how many dead in America these last 8 weeks?  How many more if there was no lockdown?

Accordingy to you and whoever you quote.In february they were attributing damn near evrything to covid and no way to verify that.The few testing kits they had weren't being dispensed to morgues when there was sick people to test.As I think NOB said he knew of a case someone had stage 4 cancer and some othe condition to boot and covid may have finished them off but was hardly the culprit
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4506 on: May 29, 2020, 06:52:06 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
And I know 4 people who had it, and 3 got better on their own at home. Those 3 were all 55 or under (one was 55, the other two were in their 30's) and relatively healthy- not obese, not smokers, no diabetes, no heart disease. For the most part healthy.

And the 1 that I know that had to go to the hospital to get put on an oxygen machine- he was in his early 60's and has diabetes and is at least 50 pounds over-weight. He spent 2 nights in a hospital and then he was sent home with an oxygen mask and was in bed for another 4-5 days and then made a full recovery.

It can be bad. Sure. But for 99.5 to 99.74% of people that contract it- it doesn't result in death.

Untrue.  Look at the data. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Infection Fatality Rate (23k / 1.7M = 1.4% IFR)
Actual Cases with an outcome as of May 1 = estimated actual recovered (1,671,351) + estimated actual deaths (23,430) = 1,694,781.
Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4507 on: May 29, 2020, 06:53:27 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 29, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Accordingy to you and whoever you quote.In february they were attributing damn near evrything to covid and no way to verify that.The few testing kits they had weren't being dispensed to morgues when there was sick people to test.As I think NOB said he knew of a case someone had stage 4 cancer and some othe condition to boot and covid may have finished them off but was hardly the culprit
Same guidelines apply to COVID deaths as apply to Flu deaths.  Are we comparing or not?
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