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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4326 on: May 27, 2020, 09:51:09 AM »
BTW right now there's a huge problem with case numbers because some states have been including positive antibody tests in the same reporting as positive confirmed [i.e. active] tests.

This has a corollary in that it has allowed to "rapidly increase our testing capacity" which seems to skew towards a lower percentage of positive tests, as the antibody tests are targeted at asymptomatic people whereas the PCR tests are targeted at people who legitimately think they have COVID.

As my wife's friend's 2 year old is known to say... "Issa mess."
thats exactly why I think hospitalizations and deaths are the best indication of how well a state is doing

testing is controlled by the state but hospitalizations and deaths arent
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4327 on: May 27, 2020, 10:00:45 AM »
Your evidence - not mine,yours,I've went after info on people dying around here like Seal Team 6 went after Bin Laden sorry your numbers don't stack up I know some numbers that do people loosing businesses.If I have an underlying condition then perhaps i ramp things up.As far as I know and i keep inquiring on a very major Hospital and 2 big retirement homes - nobody toes up.So has the Arch Angel Michael perched on Cleveland's west side?Or just the many insiders lying to me - gotta be a conspiracy right or Liars or the hand of God.I'm sure precautions do work somewhat to an extant,lot of carnival barking however
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4328 on: May 27, 2020, 10:32:02 AM »
we are old... so yes, I do.

The generations coming into the workplace are probably more comfortable talking on skype or zoom than they are in person.  I don't think companies will go completely virtual, but there will be more flexibility and for some roles, it won't matter.   

People my age and older are still upper management, and will be for the next decade.  I don't see some major shift coming in the next few years, pandemic or no.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4329 on: May 27, 2020, 10:32:29 AM »
GA hospitalizations are holding flat, slight down trend.  The jump in new cases has apparently dropped a fair bit.  No disaster yet, but not fantastic news either.

A LOT of restaurants now have reopened or are about to.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4330 on: May 27, 2020, 10:32:56 AM »
Florida's reporting has been given high marks by Dr. Birx. I think they are doing it pretty well here.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328990-dr-deborah-birx-highlights-florida-department-of-health-covid-19-website

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4331 on: May 27, 2020, 10:35:59 AM »
GA hospitalizations are holding flat, slight down trend.  The jump in new cases has apparently dropped a fair bit.  No disaster yet, but not fantastic news either.

A LOT of restaurants now have reopened or are about to.
Pretty much the same here in Texico.  Hospitalizations on a downward trend, the peak was 5/5.  Deaths also on a downward trend, the peak was 5/14 and 5/15.  I haven't seen today's numbers so not sure if we'll get some "catch-up" after the holiday.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4332 on: May 27, 2020, 10:44:28 AM »
thats exactly why I think hospitalizations and deaths are the best indication of how well a state is doing

testing is controlled by the state but hospitalizations and deaths arent
Agreed 100%. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4333 on: May 27, 2020, 10:53:23 AM »
I made a run to Walmart, which means a couple miles on I-75 there and back.  I would not normally do this anywhere near 8 AM.  Traffic remains quite light.

I have not been on MARTA obviously but I imagine they are running at 20%, their buses look near empty when I see one, they reduced their schedules.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4334 on: May 27, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4335 on: May 27, 2020, 02:19:40 PM »
Well that's discouraging

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4336 on: May 27, 2020, 02:28:34 PM »
CDC Says Possibly 'Less Than Half' Of Positive Antibody Tests Are Correct

https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/industry/healthcare/cdc-says-possibly-less-than-half-of-positive-antibody-tests-are-correct


That's a clickbait headline...

They're talking about a statistical problem that we've talked about here (the Santa Clara study). The reliability power of a test depends heavily on how prevalent the disease is. If it's not very prevalent, the problem of false positive rate is MUCH worse.

When prevalence is very low in a population, you can't really trust the studies very well. I.e. if you have a test that has a 0.5% false positive rate (0.3-0.8% with 95% confidence interval), and you measure a population and only have 1.5% positive results, it's possible that more than half of your positive results are false positives. In that case anyone who got a positive result may only be 47-80% able to trust whether they've got the disease (accounting for the confidence interval) or is only 66% likely that their test is correct (assuming 0.5%).

If your test has a 0.5% false positive rate and you test a population and you get a 50% positive rate, then you know only <2% of those who test positive are likely to be false positives. So if you are one of those people who test positive, you know there's a greater than 98% chance your test is accurate. 

What the CDC actually said is that due to the combination of the low prevalence and the false positive rate, someone who tests positive can't easily assume they actually DID have it and they're now immune, so they shouldn't feel invulnerable and not take reasonable precautions against infection.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4337 on: May 27, 2020, 02:44:44 PM »
Well sure, I understand the statistical implications,  but it's the same problem regardless.  You test positive, but can't be anywhere close to certain that you actually were positive.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4338 on: May 27, 2020, 02:48:02 PM »
Yeah, but the layman will think that means the test itself is crap. 

Especially because most laymen won't read the story, they'll just read the headline. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4339 on: May 27, 2020, 02:58:20 PM »
Florida's reporting has been given high marks by Dr. Birx. I think they are doing it pretty well here.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328990-dr-deborah-birx-highlights-florida-department-of-health-covid-19-website


But that doesn’t fit the narrative for a large number of media talking heads??   Perhaps that’s why the keep saying Florida is gaming the numbers.  😂
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