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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3948 on: May 15, 2020, 10:40:11 AM »
Agreed, it's a treatment. However depending on the length of time the antibodies stay in your system, it might be a prophylactic treatment. 

My guess would be that it would start with people expected to have high risk of exposure (medical workers/etc), and expand out from there as doses became more available.

If it works, though, you'd want to give it very widely, because it would get us to herd immunity very quickly and bring R0 down to almost nil. At that point people wouldn't need additional doses unless the virus returns via outbreaks/etc in limited areas, until a vaccine is possible.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3949 on: May 15, 2020, 10:46:34 AM »
Presuming it works 100%, but initially is in limited availability, they would treat the sick first, those potentially exposed second, and by then the thing might be in such abeyance no wide scale treatment would be needed, or desirable.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3950 on: May 15, 2020, 08:37:38 PM »
I mean, I think there would be a gap between being uninterested and unable to break those stories. If they were simply uninterested, someone with an axe to grind would be throwing out all sorts of facts.

I think if the media has earned such distrust, it's because of a complex web of reasons because I think in some ways the media has changed less than people thing. It's had holes and blindspots for a long, long time (I've been reading a book about how a tyrant in NY was mostly unchecked because of an adoring media). But I think some of the distrust stems from the fact that these days we have an attitude that it's easier (and more enjoyable) to be highly cynical about something than have faith in something. And it's very hard to have a middle ground approach, like "I think some things are true, but have to be guarded and need to take a breath at every spicy headline or blood boiling thing I read because there's just so much out there in the world."

As for a mediot, I don't know if I have, and I suppose I'd need more specificity in the question. Is it an opinion babbler? What's the nature of the repeated incorrect thing? And how much do they talk? Like if they get two high-profile things wrong, I'll be skeptical of high-profile things. But if they're a news reader and they say "the governor said X tonight" and then I get video of the governor saying X, I'll probably believe that.
Was the tyrant someone like Boss Tweed or another similar nabob in the Tammany Hall organization?  Or someone more recent, like Jimmy Walker?
It's hard for me to believe that Harvey Weinstein escaped media scrutiny for so long because nobody was able to break the story.  Seems now like every woman in Hollywood knew about his activities.  I think it was more likely the case that nobody wanted, or dared, to break the story.
It's a good point that it can be easier to adopt a cynical attitude rather than to try to separate fact from fiction in every "news" story.  But the journalism community's continuous self-congratulation--along the lines of, "If we're not allowed to tell the truth, who will?"--makes it even easier than it should be.
On my point about mediots, I'm not referring to disbelieving newsreader A when he/she says that the governor said X even after I've seen video (not deceptively edited, which does happen at times) of the governor saying X.  I was thinking more of an opinion-giver who plays fast and loose with the facts, and with the interpretation of those facts.
But there are also a lot of straight-news people who are just incompetent at their jobs, who just don't get the story right.  I've mentioned this before, but I seldom see TV coverage of the military, or print coverage of the military outside of military journals, that doesn't contain significant errors of facts or of comprehension of the significance of those facts.
I am also quite sure that there is a widespread bias in the news media which perhaps wouldn't be so bad except that it's nearly all in one direction.  Except for talk radio, which is biased nearly all in the other direction, making all of it tiresome and more or less easy to disbelieve.
I know that among professional journalists there is something approaching reverence for the "golden age" of TV journalism--the 1960s.  But I was there for that, and I don't think it was golden.  Gilded, perhaps.  It was three commercial network news organizations (plus to an extent PBS news) reporting on the same stories from the same point of view.  The bias wasn't as extreme as I think the bias is now, but it was even more one-sided than today's bias is.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3951 on: May 15, 2020, 08:55:00 PM »
The development of a recombinant protein for use as a compassionate-care treatment for coronavirus patients is underway at the Biological Process Development Facility in the University of Nebraska–Lincoln’s College of Engineering.

The facility is working with a pre-clinical drug discovery company, using its proprietary genetic technology platform to produce a recombinant protein as a biotherapeutic for COVID-19 patients who may have few options left for treatment. According to Dennis Hensen, project manager, clinical trials for the treatment are being fast-tracked for a possible July start.

The facility, located in Othmer Hall on the university’s City Campus, specializes in process development and Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) production of recombinant peptides and proteins that are suitable for non-clinical and clinical studies. The facility develops compliant manufacturing processes and test methods used in the production of drugs and other biologics, and produces bulk drug substances under GMP that are suitable for non-clinical and clinical trials. The facility also produces bulk intermediates for further processing and industrial enzymes for GMP manufacturing.

“The protein we’re producing will be used to provide a treatment option for people with advanced cases to hopefully prevent the need (for) or reduce the time on a ventilator,” said Scott Johnson, production manager, who emphasized that the treatment is not a vaccine candidate.


https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/engineering-facility-producing-therapeutic-for-covid-19-patients/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3952 on: May 16, 2020, 07:50:55 AM »
That company with the maybe cure had a very large jump in its stock price Friday.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3953 on: May 16, 2020, 08:17:18 AM »
Georgia reported a rise in cases yesterday, 795, the average has been about 650, I don't think that is significant.  Deaths reported were nominal.  Both trends are slightly down.  There has been no "surge" fortunately.

I keep noting the state is still largely closed and I don't see that changing but slowly.  I would guess a lot of smaller towns are changing faster than around me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3954 on: May 16, 2020, 10:59:03 AM »
We've got relatively good news on COVID-19 in Oklahoma.

We've got the 8th-fewest cases per capita.  We've got a significantly lower rate of infections than some other states who are testing about the same percentage of people.  Oklahoma's tests/100k is 2,776, and its cases/100k is 123.  The same stats for California are 2,697 and 185, those for Georgia are 2,693 and 337, and those for Florida are 2,773 and 197.

We began Phase I of a gradual re-opening on 24 April.  Phase II began on 1 May.  So far, the number of hospitalizations is trending downward, as is the positive test percentage.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3955 on: May 16, 2020, 11:00:09 AM »
Sooner Magic?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3956 on: May 16, 2020, 11:11:04 AM »
Sooner Magic?
Well, there's always that possibility.
But I think that in this case it's just been a case of exercising reasonable caution at both state and local levels.
With, of course, the exceptional cases of dumbasses who show that they are not afraid by going unmasked and refusing to social-distance.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3957 on: May 16, 2020, 01:07:29 PM »
That company with the maybe cure had a very large jump in its stock price Friday.
This is a kind of thing that slightly worries me.

I want a cure and I want progress. But when I see someone announce to the media "we maybe have something" and suddenly there's a gain on the financial side before delivery, creates some avenues for selling false hope. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3958 on: May 16, 2020, 01:26:21 PM »
This is a kind of thing that slightly worries me.

I want a cure and I want progress. But when I see someone announce to the media "we maybe have something" and suddenly there's a gain on the financial side before delivery, creates some avenues for selling false hope.
companies are obligated to its investors tell them about any new developments otherwise inside trading might take place

there is no way to avoid both the announcement of possible good news and its affect on stock price

the only bad that can come from this is if its not true and done to inflate stock price.  The SEC takes a very dim view of that sort of thing

and its a criminal offense.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3959 on: May 16, 2020, 01:37:52 PM »
companies are obligated to its investors tell them about any new developments otherwise inside trading might take place

there is no way to avoid both the announcement of possible good news and its affect on stock price

the only bad that can come from this is if its not true and done to inflate stock price.  The SEC takes a very dim view of that sort of thing

and its a criminal offense.
So, that's an interesting angle. 

On the one hand, that seems possibly true, but also, I can't imagine it's so utterly ironclad. Like, Google is in the process of trying to do something with distance learning. But I don't think they've made a big deal of it yet. So clearly there's some timing element to it. 

And I'd assume the SEC needs pretty ironclad proof that someone inflated the stock price through deviant means.

Basically, I think there's a vast gray area. I assume a company has a lot of leeway in terms of announcing new developments/what it's working on and that goes toward the ability to sometimes put out info on something a company is simply hopeful about. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3960 on: May 16, 2020, 01:42:21 PM »
Yeah, the company insiders have their stock purchases monitored closely.  They generally cannot buy or sell close to any public announcement.  They would likely have options that suddenly jumped in value of course, but they might not be vested.  And a large exercise of options gets reported .

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3961 on: May 16, 2020, 01:45:03 PM »
So, that's an interesting angle.

On the one hand, that seems possibly true, but also, I can't imagine it's so utterly ironclad. Like, Google is in the process of trying to do something with distance learning. But I don't think they've made a big deal of it yet. So clearly there's some timing element to it.

And I'd assume the SEC needs pretty ironclad proof that someone inflated the stock price through deviant means.

Basically, I think there's a vast gray area. I assume a company has a lot of leeway in terms of announcing new developments/what it's working on and that goes toward the ability to sometimes put out info on something a company is simply hopeful about.
this not just a development it was a breakthrough 

There have been negative responses to this

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/coronavirus-treatment-sorrento-says-it-has-cure/?src=A00220&yptr=yahoo

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his really isnt negative but just the fact that it may not lead to anything once it has been tested on animals
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