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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3920 on: May 14, 2020, 10:11:12 PM »
I had some kind of fake Vietnamese soup with noodles that was excellent.  I want to try the real thing some day.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3921 on: May 14, 2020, 11:13:22 PM »
Mainstream media? That's a report from Channel 8 -- ABC. You don't get much more mainstream than ABC, right?

There are tons of reports on hydroxychloroquine. They're mostly mixed. Some have shown benefit, some have not. Some have also shown nasty side effects (heart problems).

Also note that we know very little based on this report:

  • We know 56 patients had COVID-19 and 39 were willing to take hydroxychloroquine.
  • It seems of the 39, there were no deaths, although one patient was "going back and forth".
  • We don't know how severe the symptoms were initially for those 39. If their symptoms were mild, or even tested asymptomatic, they likely would have recovered with or without hydroxychloroquine.
  • We don't know of any potential comorbidities in those 39 beyond obviously being old enough to be in a nursing home.
  • We don't know the outcomes of the other 17 patients who didn't take it. I would think that if some of those patients had died, it would have made sense to mention it in the story to show how hydroxychloroquine was better than the "control" group.

This is a flimsy anecdotal report. Yes if you had 39 who didn't die, that's better than nothing, but without a hell of a lot more information, I wouldn't hang your 10-gallon hat on this news.

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But... IF hydroxychloroquine truly is a miracle treatment, do you really think the "mainstream media" would keep it a secret? Why?

I realize some think they'd do it to damage POTUS, but can you imagine the public outcry that would occur if it was ever proven that the "mainstream media" (which apparently doesn't include ABC) was squashing stories leading to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans?
While accepting your basic points as valid, and without using the "mainstream" term, it is worth noting that most in the media were very uninterested in reporting on the sexual escapades of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein's oft-time guests like Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and perhaps even our sitting POTUS.  After years (decades, even) of turning a blind eye to the whole situation, they finally reported on Weinstein and Epstein, but the boys on the guest list have mostly escaped further scrutiny.
The media, in general, have earned the distrust which most Americans feel for them.
Have you ever known a mediot who got the story so wrong so often that you felt safe in taking the default position that whatever he/she said, it was probably not true?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3922 on: May 14, 2020, 11:33:17 PM »
I rarely watch the news, but when I do, I usually watch Newsy which proudly claims to be anti-partisan, and I think they generally live up to that standard.

Admittedly, they orient themselves towards my generation, and their main reporters and anchors are all between 20-40 years old. I even saw one of them on a dating site (she didn't match with me).... If you watch and get an impression that they lean liberal, I would understand that, though.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3923 on: May 15, 2020, 12:04:48 AM »
So my gym is opening back up tomorrow.  They have a few rules.

You have to schedule workouts in advance. No more than 3 days a week and no more than an hour at a time.  All members and employees must wear a mask at all times (I can see me passing out on the stairmaster doing that). You must answer a series of screening questions and have your temperature taken upon each visit.

I think I’ll keep doing my stuff at home a while longer. 

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« Reply #3924 on: May 15, 2020, 12:07:29 AM »
While accepting your basic points as valid, and without using the "mainstream" term, it is worth noting that most in the media were very uninterested in reporting on the sexual escapades of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein's oft-time guests like Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and perhaps even our sitting POTUS.  After years (decades, even) of turning a blind eye to the whole situation, they finally reported on Weinstein and Epstein, but the boys on the guest list have mostly escaped further scrutiny.
The media, in general, have earned the distrust which most Americans feel for them.
Have you ever known a mediot who got the story so wrong so often that you felt safe in taking the default position that whatever he/she said, it was probably not true?
I mean, I think there would be a gap between being uninterested and unable to break those stories. If they were simply uninterested, someone with an axe to grind would be throwing out all sorts of facts. 

I think if the media has earned such distrust, it's because of a complex web of reasons because I think in some ways the media has changed less than people thing. It's had holes and blindspots for a long, long time (I've been reading a book about how a tyrant in NY was mostly unchecked because of an adoring media). But I think some of the distrust stems from the fact that these days we have an attitude that it's easier (and more enjoyable) to be highly cynical about something than have faith in something. And it's very hard to have a middle ground approach, like "I think some things are true, but have to be guarded and need to take a breath at every spicy headline or blood boiling thing I read because there's just so much out there in the world."

As for a mediot, I don't know if I have, and I suppose I'd need more specificity in the question. Is it an opinion babbler? What's the nature of the repeated incorrect thing? And how much do they talk? Like if they get two high-profile things wrong, I'll be skeptical of high-profile things. But if they're a news reader and they say "the governor said X tonight" and then I get video of the governor saying X, I'll probably believe that. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3925 on: May 15, 2020, 01:34:19 AM »
My 11 year old's club volleyball team is starting back up around Memorial Day.  They plan (we'll see) to actual play in 3 tournaments within Indy during June.   The practice protocol is pretty tight (no spectators, masked coaches, no commingled scrimmages, spread out across the facility, etc.).   Will be interested to see what the tournament protocol will be.   Guessing they will tell parents to watch via baller tv (which is a streaming service for club sports, pretty slick actually, though I don't presently subscribe to it).

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3926 on: May 15, 2020, 01:55:55 AM »
I use the serious eats recipe, and it's really good.

Pho (and most soups) are tough because of my wife's poultry allergy. We have to trust that places aren't using chicken stock, and that there's no cross contamination.

That's the only reason I make pho. It's delicious, but it ends up somehow costing MORE than what I spend for it at restaurants.
I've tried that one and a dozen more.  I'm a good cook.  But my attempts simply don't compare.

My local pho place really is that good, better than any I've ever had in LA, SF, Houston (they have a very large Vietnamese population), and even France (which has a huge Vietnamese population).  I've never been to Vietnam so my comparison must end there.

And it's definitely cheaper to buy it than to make.  Which is why I hit the point where I just gave up and let the pros take care of me.

Like I said, that's not really the norm.  I can make a lot of things better than "the best" commercial places.  But pho simply isn't one of them, so I stopped bothering to try.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3927 on: May 15, 2020, 06:44:37 AM »
I've got a recipe for Pho written down back up North. When (if) we get back I'll post it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3928 on: May 15, 2020, 07:46:58 AM »
 If you watch and get an impression that they lean liberal, I would understand that, though.
One's perceptions in general of how some news site leans is a reflection of one's perceptions.  I know some right wingers on the A51 site here who think Fox News has been taken over by liberals.  I have liberal friends in Cincinnati who think CNN is way too far right.

I think the best way to get a reasonably balanced view of what is afoot is to use a variety of news sources, note which lead story is not covered by the others, and note which stories get the most attention.  The difference of course is stark.  Whether you think one or the other is R or L reflects your attitudes more than "reality", whatever reality might be.

I try to read Le Monde when in France, mostly for practicing my poor French.  Their articles about the US are .... almost entirely negative, very negative.  The perception of the US by your average French person about the US is "interesting".  At times, they will voice opinions, by educated people, that just leave me agape.

I'm not usually left agape.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3929 on: May 15, 2020, 08:01:27 AM »
Don't know what pho you guys concerned wth broth,rice & noodles
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3930 on: May 15, 2020, 08:42:20 AM »
The media, in general, have earned the distrust which most Americans feel for them.
Have you ever known a mediot who got the story so wrong so often that you felt safe in taking the default position that whatever he/she said, it was probably not true?
Generally, I have distrust for a lot of the media, but it's more based on the fact that almost everything in the world is very complex and nuanced, and they're barely able to understand the surface layer which they have to explain to readers, and do it in a 30 second soundbite or a 350 word article. 

Most true experts in a field are in that field, not leaving that field to be a journalist covering it, so by definition the journalists almost can't be experts on what they're writing about. As such I take most media sources to merely be jumping-off points, to which I need to go research the rest myself and draw my own conclusions.

Michael Crichton has a good take on it:


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Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3931 on: May 15, 2020, 08:43:32 AM »
enough about eating stuff and on to more important topics

https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-cure-california-biopharmaceutical-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough

man wouldnt this be nice if true
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3932 on: May 15, 2020, 08:51:34 AM »
enough about eating stuff and on to more important topics

https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-cure-california-biopharmaceutical-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough

man wouldnt this be nice if true
Yeah... I hope it holds up.

Sad that my first instinct was to go and try to figure out whether Sorrento Therapeutics were a bunch of cranks... But they look legit. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3933 on: May 15, 2020, 08:55:01 AM »
Yeah... I hope it holds up.

Sad that my first instinct was to go and try to figure out whether Sorrento Therapeutics were a bunch of cranks... But they look legit.
I dont blame you I did the same thing

If this has merit it will be interesting to see how fast MSM runs a story on it

I wager its too optimistic to interest them
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