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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3780 on: May 13, 2020, 06:39:48 PM »
From The Dispatch:

Quick Hits: Today’s Top Stories
  • As of Tuesday night, there are now 1,369,386 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the United States (an increase of 21,505/1.6 percent from yesterday) and 82,356 deaths attributed to the virus (an increase of 1,959/2.4 percent from yesterday), according to the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard, leading to a mortality rate among confirmed cases of 6 percent (the true mortality rate is likely lower, but it’s impossible to determine precisely due to incomplete testing regimens). Of 9,637,930 coronavirus tests conducted in the United States (255,695 conducted since yesterday), 14.2 percent have come back positive.
  • Dr. Anthony Fauci testified before the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee on Tuesday, telling senators that a vaccine would likely not be ready “to facilitate reentry of students into the fall term,” but that “it is much more likely than not that we will get a vaccine” within the next year or two. He added that the virus’s death toll in the United States is “almost certainly” higher than the figures currently being reported, and argued there is a “real risk that you will trigger an outbreak” if states begin reopening too soon.
  • In the same hearing, coronavirus testing czar Adm. Brett Giroir told lawmakers he hopes the United States will be able to conduct 40 million to 50 million COVID-19 tests per month by September. Slightly fewer than 10 million tests have been conducted since the pandemic began.
  • The United States’ consumer-price index—a measure of economic inflation—declined 0.8 percent in April amid coronavirus lockdowns, the largest one-month drop since 2008.
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  • House Democrats released their version of a $3 trillion phase four coronavirus relief package on Tuesday, that would send billions of dollars to state and local governments and hospitals, as well as extend the CARES Act’s $600/month unemployment insurance boost from the end of July through the rest of 2020. Republican leadership and the White House have signaled a desire to wait and reassess the need for additional legislation.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3781 on: May 14, 2020, 07:43:48 AM »
Wisconsin's Supreme Court struck down the Governor's "safer at home" order as non-constitutional. Wisconsin is open. We'll see what that leads to now.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3782 on: May 14, 2020, 08:59:43 AM »
Wisconsin's Supreme Court struck down the Governor's "safer at home" order as non-constitutional. Wisconsin is open. We'll see what that leads to now.
Wow, that seems pretty big.  I've seen quite a few fights between municipalities, counties, and states, arguing over whose authority supersedes.  But I'm not sure I've seen any state's judicial branch make such a bold statement before during this crisis, has anyone else?

Interesting times.

I'm definitely starting to see a lot more questions out there in public, and I'm not talking twitter but on local and state news, saying basically the same thing-- "When did 'flatten the curve' become 'find the cure'?"

All in all though, like CD is seeing in Atlanta and I'm seeing in Austin, even though places are allowed to reopen, most of them are not.  The 25% capacity limitation kills it for most restaurants, and even if they were allowed to open to 100%, there's just not enough people willing to go there, to sustain their businesses.  It will take people a while before the fear is gone, or at least diminished.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3783 on: May 14, 2020, 09:03:53 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

This far in GA, there has been no marked upsurge in cases or deaths.  There remain two hot spots.  It seems to me if you can localize a hot spot, it could make sense to shutter that region for a while to the extent possible.  I imagine people are doing this on their own often as not.

Some of course had predicted a crisis in GA by now, over run hospitals, that sort of thing.  I keep noting this is not like flipping a switch.  It's not binary.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3784 on: May 14, 2020, 09:18:28 AM »
Its just gonna take time

If you open it they will come

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3785 on: May 14, 2020, 09:40:13 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

This far in GA, there has been no marked upsurge in cases or deaths.  There remain two hot spots.  It seems to me if you can localize a hot spot, it could make sense to shutter that region for a while to the extent possible.  I imagine people are doing this on their own often as not.

Some of course had predicted a crisis in GA by now, over run hospitals, that sort of thing.  I keep noting this is not like flipping a switch.  It's not binary.
I'll be curious to see what things look like in 2 weeks, both here and in GA.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3787 on: May 14, 2020, 09:47:06 AM »
I always wonder when someone cites a media report as something the media won't report.

I'd note that report is anecdotal, a month old, and several more recent credible studies have shown either no benefit or adverse impacts by use of this drug, so I personally wouldn't put much credibility on that one specific story nor expect it to be reported widely today.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3788 on: May 14, 2020, 10:10:51 AM »
I always wonder when someone cites a media report as something the media won't report.

I'd note that report is anecdotal, a month old, and several more recent credible studies have shown either no benefit or adverse impacts by use of this drug, so I personally wouldn't put much credibility on that one specific story nor expect it to be reported widely today.
Point is the main stream media was as quiet as a little church mouse on this

We are successfully treating virus patients in Texas with this drug

which is one of the factors our per 1M death count is so low

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3789 on: May 14, 2020, 10:28:55 AM »
Point is the main stream media was as quiet as a little church mouse on this

We are successfully treating virus patients in Texas with this drug

which is one of the factors our per 1M death count is so low
Mainstream media? That's a report from Channel 8 -- ABC. You don't get much more mainstream than ABC, right? 

There are tons of reports on hydroxychloroquine. They're mostly mixed. Some have shown benefit, some have not. Some have also shown nasty side effects (heart problems). 

Also note that we know very little based on this report:

  • We know 56 patients had COVID-19 and 39 were willing to take hydroxychloroquine. 
  • It seems of the 39, there were no deaths, although one patient was "going back and forth".
  • We don't know how severe the symptoms were initially for those 39. If their symptoms were mild, or even tested asymptomatic, they likely would have recovered with or without hydroxychloroquine.
  • We don't know of any potential comorbidities in those 39 beyond obviously being old enough to be in a nursing home.
  • We don't know the outcomes of the other 17 patients who didn't take it. I would think that if some of those patients had died, it would have made sense to mention it in the story to show how hydroxychloroquine was better than the "control" group. 

This is a flimsy anecdotal report. Yes if you had 39 who didn't die, that's better than nothing, but without a hell of a lot more information, I wouldn't hang your 10-gallon hat on this news.

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But... IF hydroxychloroquine truly is a miracle treatment, do you really think the "mainstream media" would keep it a secret? Why? 

I realize some think they'd do it to damage POTUS, but can you imagine the public outcry that would occur if it was ever proven that the "mainstream media" (which apparently doesn't include ABC) was squashing stories leading to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3790 on: May 14, 2020, 10:37:19 AM »


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But... IF hydroxychloroquine truly is a miracle treatment, do you really think the "mainstream media" would keep it a secret? Why?

I realize some think they'd do it to damage POTUS, but can you imagine the public outcry that would occur if it was ever proven that the "mainstream media" (which apparently doesn't include ABC) was squashing stories leading to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans?

where have you been?

all you get from main stream media is gloom and doom

as to why well its pretty obvious to me that the media want this country to stay closed down

as long as possible to damage POTUS

Our weekly death count has decreased for the last 3 weeks in a row but you wont see that talked about anywhere

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3791 on: May 14, 2020, 10:38:50 AM »
The more recent data on efficacy of this drug are not promising at all.  The FDA has issued a strong caution on its use.  There were more promising ANECDOTAL reports a month ago or so, but those have been replaced more recently by negative outcomes, all of which have been reported.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3792 on: May 14, 2020, 10:47:22 AM »
I think by mainstream he means nationally viewed news shows or an article in a widely circulated newspaper.

Yes, all of the evidence that HCQ can help Covid patients is anecdotal. On the other hand, the studies that show it isn’t much help are observational studies. They aren’t randomized and controlled which is the gold standard of clinical trials.

As long as patients are made aware of all of this before being prescribed it I don’t see the fuss.   It’s been around forever.  Doctors know the side effects associated with it and what medications to avoid being taken with it.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3793 on: May 14, 2020, 10:53:56 AM »
Point is the main stream media was as quiet as a little church mouse on this

We are successfully treating virus patients in Texas with this drug

which is one of the factors our per 1M death count is so low


Looking back, the thing got a modest amount of coverage. NPR, FoxNews several other local TV stations. There were some reports he didn't tell the families what he was doing, which sparked some concern. But weirdly, very few reports in the past two weeks. Just because we don't see something doesn't mean it didn't make the rounds.

That second sentence, it's just not accurate. We have one nursing home and some anecdotal evidence they seem to be doing better from two weeks ago.

And linking this to the low death count is ... well it's a stretch. 

Badge lamented fear mongering up high. This would be hope mongering. Taking something very small and acting like it's very large. A politician did some hope mongering and got some attention. It's all cool and stuff, but it ain't evidence of much. 

 

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