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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3752 on: May 12, 2020, 11:50:26 AM »
Georgia has several things working against it - higher black population which is said to be more vulnerable, higher obesity/diabetes, no universal health care of course, probably insufficient testing, an early hot spot down in Albany ....

And the death rate is less than half that of Sweden.  Reported death rate.





Exactly.  Reported death rate.

But it's possible that Sweden has far more actual cases than Georgia, and we just don't know because there's not enough testing in either place to really approach discovering that upper bound.

Sweden might have more deaths simply because they've allowed more infections in a shorter amount of time, they've allowed it intentionally to penetrate deeper into their population more quickly, while Georgia was locking down to prevent the spread.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3753 on: May 12, 2020, 11:52:16 AM »
There's also been the theory that the European strain that seems to have hit New York is more deadly, and perhaps Georgia didn't get that strain?  Not sure how much evidence there really is behind all of that, though.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3754 on: May 12, 2020, 11:56:32 AM »
Perhaps Sweden's national health care system wasn't as well equipped to prevent deaths?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3755 on: May 12, 2020, 12:03:16 PM »
There's also been the theory that the European strain that seems to have hit New York is more deadly, and perhaps Georgia didn't get that strain?  Not sure how much evidence there really is behind all of that, though.


It would have come as huge news if New York has a different strain then Georgia

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3756 on: May 12, 2020, 12:14:32 PM »
From The Dispatch:


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COVID-19: Not Just For Your Lungs Anymore
By now, most of us have the slogan drilled into our brains that the novel coronavirus is not a flu, but rather something far stranger and deadlier. But we still mainly think of the germ as flu-adjacent—a respiratory bug accompanied by fever and coughing, which kills, when it kills, by clogging the lungs with fluid and suffocating its victims of oxygen.
A growing number of doctors are becoming convinced it’s not so simple. Instead, they’re seeing patients whose COVID-created pneumonia is brought under control—only for a slew of other systems in the body to begin to go haywire. “What this virus does is it starts as a viral infection and becomes a more global disturbance to the immune system and blood vessels—and what kills is exactly that,” Dr. Mandeep Mehra of Harvard University’s medical school recently told the Seattle Times. “Our hypothesis is that COVID-19 begins as a respiratory virus and kills as a cardiovascular virus.”

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3757 on: May 12, 2020, 12:20:53 PM »
Cytokine explosion.

Georgia is at 633 at the moment, I don't know when the close the day for new cases.  That would be about on the moving averages (653).

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/12/854671686/as-georgia-lifts-restrictions-its-hospitals-are-not-ready-for-a-covid-19-surge

Georgia as a whole is seeing a slight decrease in its average new daily coronavirus cases since late April — from 741 in the week ending April 26 to 702 in the week ending May 10. But in the 21 counties that make up the Atlanta metropolitan statistical area — which has the bulk of the state's coronavirus cases — the average of new daily cases has gone up in that same time frame. And ICU beds in the region are already mostly full.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3758 on: May 12, 2020, 08:11:13 PM »
Sweden *should* be doing better than Georgia. It's a relatively rich nation, with a good healthcare system and a strong social safety net. Supposedly 40% of residents are in single-person households which should reduce spread, and relatively low numbers of multi-generation households with elders. And I can say from having traveled there that people in general looked a little more healthy in general than in Georgia -- much lower levels of obesity, anyway.

Maybe the lack of multigenerational households caused a problem? I.e. if most seniors are in senior living facilities where spread was easy, it could be that they got slammed there whereas more of the elderly in Georgia are in homes where people have been staying home and avoiding infection?

I don't understand why death rates are so high in Sweden...
I had a theory it had something to do with smoking, because it is more common in Europe.  11% of Swedish people smoke.  Bingo, right?

Nope.  More than 17% of adults in Georgia smoke.  That's adults vs. total population, so not exactly apples to apples, but I guess my theory doesn't hold up.

17.5% of adults smoke in Georgia, though.  Really? 

WTH?  18.8% of Pennsylvania adults smoke?

Those numbers seem crazy high.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3759 on: May 12, 2020, 08:15:08 PM »
 France smoking rate for 2016 was 32.70%, a 0.1% decline from 2015.

This is another thing I notice different about France than the US.  Everyone (it seems) smokes.

However, this likely does not impact infection rate, some studies suggest it might reduce infection rate, but it probably does relate to outcome.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3760 on: May 12, 2020, 08:16:05 PM »
hopefully those percentages are coming down quickly, year after year
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« Reply #3761 on: May 12, 2020, 09:14:03 PM »
hopefully those percentages are coming down quickly, year after year
Yeah, the oldest ones are dying off.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3762 on: May 12, 2020, 09:18:43 PM »
hopefully, they're not being replaced by younger ones
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« Reply #3763 on: May 13, 2020, 07:37:11 AM »
The young ones vape.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3764 on: May 13, 2020, 07:56:34 AM »
Illinois did 29,266 tests yesterday, and reported 4,014 new cases. Both are highs in this thing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3765 on: May 13, 2020, 08:16:01 AM »
Illinois did 29,266 tests yesterday, and reported 4,014 new cases. Both are highs in this thing.
Chicago is where most virus cases are

the rest of the state is relatively ok

I hope they have locked down all the retirement homes

need to ramp up testing in Chicago area 

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