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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3738 on: May 12, 2020, 08:23:08 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 12, 2020, 07:51:59 AM
You can drive that straight through, yes? Not that hotels are bad. We used Hamptons on the way down here because Hilton has a good plan in place for cleaning and distancing. We were never uncomfortable on the way down here.

We'll see going back in a few weeks what things look like now. Changes are happening all over the place, except in Illinois, I guess.
Oh yeah. Little over 7 hours. Might stop for gas or run through a drive thru but that’s it.  Other than a couple trips to the grocery store or getting takeout I don’t plan on coming within a country mile of anyone down there.  I’ll mask up when I go out like I do here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3739 on: May 12, 2020, 08:34:59 AM »
Hopefully the beach will be nice and sunny, because apparently the sun works on this thing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3740 on: May 12, 2020, 08:46:03 AM »
While sunlight deactivates this thing, it's not instantaneous.  If you catch a sneeze cloud, it's a problem even outdoors, I think.

Just keep a distance from others, it's not hard to manage.  

I wear my mask on the elevator if anyone else is on it aside from the wife as a courtesy to them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3741 on: May 12, 2020, 09:01:53 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2020, 08:46:03 AM
Just keep a distance from others, it's not hard to manage. 
People will naturally steer clear of him
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3742 on: May 12, 2020, 09:03:19 AM »
I'm still looking for reliable information on immunity development.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3743 on: May 12, 2020, 09:08:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
I'm still looking for reliable information on immunity development.
I don't think they know, it's just too early to tell.  

I do believe that the people in Korea (or was it Hong Kong?) that they originally thought might have been reinfected, turned out to be a result of testing errors or that the virus itself just lingered in them longer, or some combination of the two.  So that's good, or at least better than the alternative.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3744 on: May 12, 2020, 10:42:18 AM »
Sweden reports 3,256 deaths and 10x that figure known infections. Georgia reports 1,460 deaths and 34,165 known cases.

10.2 million population in Sweden, 10.6 million in GA.  About the same number of confirmed cases, 2x difference in deaths.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3745 on: May 12, 2020, 10:44:31 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
Sweden reports 3,256 deaths and 10x that figure known infections. Georgia reports 1,460 deaths and 34,165 known cases.

10.2 million population in Sweden, 10.6 million in GA.  About the same number of confirmed cases, 2x difference in deaths.
Any demographics to go along? Prior conditions?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3746 on: May 12, 2020, 10:46:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 12, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
Sweden reports 3,256 deaths and 10x that figure known infections. Georgia reports 1,460 deaths and 34,165 known cases.

10.2 million population in Sweden, 10.6 million in GA.  About the same number of confirmed cases, 2x difference in deaths.
Do you know deaths per capita or per million data for each?

Cases are pretty much irrelevant IMO.  Sweden might actually have 2x the number of actual cases compared to Georgia, and neither region has tested enough to near the upper limit.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3747 on: May 12, 2020, 10:50:34 AM »
GA has 138 deaths per million.  Sweden is roughly double that obviously, 322 exactly.

They may have different metrics for counting deaths.  Georgia has a large African American population which is said to be more vulnerable.  There is an outbreak in the poultry area in NE GA.  We could see chicken shortages soonish.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3748 on: May 12, 2020, 11:36:42 AM »
Sweden *should* be doing better than Georgia. It's a relatively rich nation, with a good healthcare system and a strong social safety net. Supposedly 40% of residents are in single-person households which should reduce spread, and relatively low numbers of multi-generation households with elders. And I can say from having traveled there that people in general looked a little more healthy in general than in Georgia -- much lower levels of obesity, anyway.

Maybe the lack of multigenerational households caused a problem? I.e. if most seniors are in senior living facilities where spread was easy, it could be that they got slammed there whereas more of the elderly in Georgia are in homes where people have been staying home and avoiding infection?

I don't understand why death rates are so high in Sweden...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3749 on: May 12, 2020, 11:43:56 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on May 12, 2020, 11:36:42 AM
Sweden *should* be doing better than Georgia. It's a relatively rich nation, with a good healthcare system and a strong social safety net. Supposedly 40% of residents are in single-person households which should reduce spread, and relatively low numbers of multi-generation households with elders. And I can say from having traveled there that people in general looked a little more healthy in general than in Georgia -- much lower levels of obesity, anyway.

Maybe the lack of multigenerational households caused a problem? I.e. if most seniors are in senior living facilities where spread was easy, it could be that they got slammed there whereas more of the elderly in Georgia are in homes where people have been staying home and avoiding infection?

I don't understand why death rates are so high in Sweden...

It could simply be that Sweden is taking fewer steps to stop the virus from spreading, and so it's already doing what damage it will.

It's even possible that they have something like 10x the number of actual cases compared to Georgia, and that their true death rate is actually lower than Georgia's.  That was their intended path, after all.

It's possible that the lockdowns in Georgia and around the USA, and in other countries, have only served to delay the inevitable deaths, but have not done anything to knock down the ultimate total number (aside from the positive benefits of not overrunning the hospitals and creating further deaths that otherwise wouldn't have occurred).

At this point we just don't know, and we're really not likely to make any valid comparisons for another 12-18 months.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3750 on: May 12, 2020, 11:47:08 AM »
Georgia has several things working against it - higher black population which is said to be more vulnerable, higher obesity/diabetes, no universal health care of course, probably insufficient testing, an early hot spot down in Albany ....

And the death rate is less than half that of Sweden.  Reported death rate.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3751 on: May 12, 2020, 11:49:46 AM »
perhaps Sweden's health care system pays hospitals and doctors more if the death is reported as COVID-19?
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