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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3248 on: May 01, 2020, 03:54:21 PM »
Government has the licensing authority to close certain businesses.  They do not have the authority to mandate that I stay isolated in my house without due process.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3249 on: May 01, 2020, 03:57:43 PM »
Government has the licensing authority to close certain businesses.  They do not have the authority to mandate that I stay isolated in my house without due process.


That first sentence is getting ready to be put to the test.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3250 on: May 01, 2020, 04:01:53 PM »
The Board of Health licenses restaurant operations, clearly, and other types as well.  They can shut you down easily.  I suspect a lot of other businesses have some sort of health inspection annually.  We can't open out pool because the city won't inspect it.  We have to have an annual inspection to operate it legally.

I've talked with three restaurant owners now, and it appears they are thinking about mid-May to reopen under new guidelines.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3251 on: May 01, 2020, 04:03:39 PM »
I get that. And I'm sure if Fauci said "dating is outlawed; you can't see anyone outside your current household" that people would be MORE pleased than what he said? Would we rather do as China did and not allow people to leave their residences without a government-controlled clean bill of health? Would you want the government to start stopping people on the roads who are going to their boyfriend/girlfriend's house demanding to see their papers because they're cavorting with someone not in their own household? Because it's not just about Tinder--a Tinder date with someone you've just met is just as risky as going to see someone you already know, right?

The simplest answer is that it's a lot easier for government to regulate economic behavior than personal behavior. It's a lot easier for them to close beaches than it is to prosecute beachgoers who aren't appropriately social distancing. The level of intrusion necessary to stop the sort of interaction NOB is bringing up is clearly untenable and far more than Americans would allow, so we're trying to muddle through this mess.

If you listen to Fauci's response, he basically says "risk" or "mask" several times and "six feet away". Clearly he was NOT saying it was a great idea. Not only that, it's NOB who called it a "Tinder hookup", not Fauci. Fauci's response seems to be more tailored to someone who is trying to navigate the compexity of dating in the COVID-19 era, not someone whose intent is just a booty call.

But "Fauci says we're not allowed to shake hands but thinks a Tinder hookup is perfectly fine" sounds outrageous, so that's what we're running with apparently.
And that’s reasonable. I didn’t have a problem with Fauci’s answer to the question.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3254 on: May 01, 2020, 04:26:19 PM »
https://reason.com/2020/04/27/deaths-spike-in-new-york-city-and-around-the-world/

I don't think a restaurant can stay open if the city mayor or governor tells the BoH to shut it down.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3255 on: May 01, 2020, 04:27:16 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fosters.com/news/20200501/maine-restaurant-owner-blasts-governorrsquos-reopening-plan-vows-to-reopen-now%3ftemplate=ampart

Saw this guy on tv last night. I’ll be interested to see where this goes.

Hmmm, so Maine guy is the new Florida Man?


Kidding of course.  I'd say I can't imagine what it's like, but we're down by half for employment in my family due to the coronas, so I actually CAN imagine what it's like. *shrug*


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3256 on: May 01, 2020, 04:48:12 PM »
Quicker response than I think anyone is used to from the FDA...

https://www.fda.gov/media/137565/download

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3257 on: May 01, 2020, 05:04:38 PM »
That's a bit of good news.

Yesterday, I went to visit a friend who has probably days, not weeks, to live.  Parkinson's, not COVID.

On the way, I gassed up.  First gas I had bought since the 17th of March.  Where we shop for groceries, for every $50 in purchases, they give your store card a 3 cents/gallon credit at the local Quik Trip convenience store/gas stations.  I had 39 cents/gallon credit on my card, so I put 12.7 gallons of premium into my Boss 302 for $1.309/gallon.

Which was another bit of good news amidst the gloom.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3258 on: May 01, 2020, 05:13:42 PM »
Yesterday, I went to visit a friend who has probably days, not weeks, to live.  Parkinson's, not COVID.
Sorry for your friend, CW. My grandmother died of [or with?] Parkinson's, but was atypical that she made it to 93 despite having Parkinson's. 

My wife and I need to break quarantine tomorrow to go shave her best friend's head. She's in chemo for stage 3 breast cancer and I'm the guy who has clippers. My wife would do it, but probably couldn't handle it without breaking down, so it's on me to be the strong one and keep it together.

Life doesn't stop for COVID.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3259 on: May 01, 2020, 05:20:39 PM »
https://reason.com/2020/04/27/deaths-spike-in-new-york-city-and-around-the-world/

I don't think a restaurant can stay open if the city mayor or governor tells the BoH to shut it down.
I’m certainly not an expert and I’m sure what you posted is true. But my guess would be the BOH is usually shutting down restaurants for specific code violations.  Assuming a restaurant passes inspection or has already passed inspection and all applicable taxes and business licenses are in order then forcing this guy to close is a dilemma for the governor.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3260 on: May 01, 2020, 05:29:30 PM »
Hmmm, so Maine guy is the new Florida Man?


Kidding of course.  I'd say I can't imagine what it's like, but we're down by half for employment in my family due to the coronas, so I actually CAN imagine what it's like. *shrug*


Not to get too personal but cant your wife claim unemployment
my understanding is the Feds kick in an additional $600/wk on top of the state amount for 39 weeks


They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3261 on: May 01, 2020, 05:59:03 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/18/states-police-power-coronavirus-135826

The authorities to close places down are broader than I thought.

 

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