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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3066 on: April 29, 2020, 01:07:15 AM »
And almost all of them were infirm or elderly.It's the chance we take sitting at home only prolongs the inevitable - everyone coming in contact.There won't be much to hang around for as people are getting deperate.We've been misled down so many different rabitt holes.Waiting for a cure is worse than the ailment.They have no reliable anything either tests or vaccines.And IMO a lot more people have already had it from those I talked to.With precautions opening up isn't an option.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3067 on: April 29, 2020, 01:18:08 AM »
But if you want to help with those jobs and dreams, you can donate to all manner of organizations buying local to feed whoever. Or eat takeout every meal. Or get takeout and donate that too.
I've ordered out little because I've been holed up like a good little puppet.855 is nothing in a state of 11.5,try all the other ailments that take people every day.Come and tell the people around here that have received neither unemployment benefits or money from the Federal Government stimulus - THAT WAS PROMISED.But there jobs were shut down like the govt said but they've recieved nothing in return.If this goes on people will lash out and take those with them they deem responsible.This isn't saber rattling.They feel Was it worth throwing away over 2 months of income with 3 months of bills due? For the pittance and illusion of  safety we’ve got in exchange.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3068 on: April 29, 2020, 02:06:55 AM »
I agree, the combination of keeping everyone home AND providing nothing to the masses has made it a cluster-fuq.  My thing is the lack of testing. 
Hey, wouldn't it be nice if you could get a test and go back to work the moment you were deemed virus free?  No, that wouldn't make things normal and no, it wouldn't totally prevent the spread, but it would be a helluva lot better than what you described.

The lack of testing is truly absurd.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3069 on: April 29, 2020, 07:43:18 AM »
What does a test tell you (presuming it has no false pos/negs)?  That you are virus free at that moment.  What about in an hour, or a day?

How often do you need to be tested to be considered virus free?  

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/IjORDGLckdP3RI9hJU5CWO/

I think the number from GA are going to be under a microscope (I'm already seeing some on FB trying to correlate the partial reopening with new numbers ...).  This is a pretty decent source if anyone is interested.  Obviously, we won't see a response (if at all) for another 10 days or more, and the daily numbers bounce around quite a bit.

IF there is no immunity conferred by having the virus, the numbers should continue to go higher with no herd immunity possible.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3070 on: April 29, 2020, 08:21:55 AM »
What does a test tell you (presuming it has no false pos/negs)?  That you are virus free at that moment.  What about in an hour, or a day?

How often do you need to be tested to be considered virus free?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3071 on: April 29, 2020, 08:34:40 AM »
What does a test tell you (presuming it has no false pos/negs)?  That you are virus free at that moment.  What about in an hour, or a day?

How often do you need to be tested to be considered virus free? 

South Korea tested everyone, and eradicated the virus from their nation. Testing worked for them, and in other places. 
Testing has worked to minimize impact of every other disease as well. To think testing isn't the best option we have at the moment is foolish. (Best option is vaccine, but we don't have one.) Test everyone, assist/isolate the infected, re-test those the infected have interacted with, move the healthy herd back to productivity.

I haven't been tested, but I'm also perfectly happy being a stay at home dad, homeschooling my 2 little sweet ones. If I was out in the work force, test me weekly (or as recommended by health experts) until the pandemic is under control. 

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« Reply #3072 on: April 29, 2020, 08:40:31 AM »
I mean, we'd have to know where you lived, how many people you talked to, have half a sense of where they worked ...

If I were to guess you lived in Ohio, purely by your fandom, 799 people have died in that state. Not knowing a single medical professional who was somewhat close to those doesn't seem so surprising.

Shoot, we've had the flu numbers thrown around, but how often does someone directly tell you about flu deaths (I suppose they're less interesting).

But if you want to help with those jobs and dreams, you can donate to all manner of organizations buying local to feed whoever. Or eat takeout every meal. Or get takeout and donate that too.
I do have friends that work here in Ohio in the medical profession. One is a supervisor of nursing at a hospital in Lorain, Ohio which is just west of Cleveland. According to this person, they number of people being coded as having Covid is much greater than those that actually have the virus. If someone is admitted with ANY of the symptoms, they are immediately coded as having the virus. I asked why this was the case and they confirmed what I had thought all along. Because the hospital gets more federal money for a higher number of Covid patients. 

Therefore, if a patient with stage IV cancer is admitted and has a fever, they are coded with Covid. If they die, they are added to the list of those that died from Covid when in fact it was the Cancer that caused the death. 

Now that is simply 1 hospital in Ohio. However, based on Dr. Brix stating that they are encouraging hospitals to engage in this practice, what are the odds that other hospitals are doing the same? 

This is why I don't trust ANY of the numbers that the government or many others are putting out. There is such a wide range of opinion in the medical profession as to what constitutes a Covid infection vs what doesn't. And with the government incentivizing hospitals to increase their Covid numbers, how much can we really trust this data? 

As for donating or supporting local businesses, we have been doing that since day 1. However, that does little to help small business owners of businesses that are not deemed essential and cannot operate. It also does little for the part time servers at restaurants that are not working and do not qualify for unemployment compensation. My youngest daughter is one of them. She is a full time student at the Univ of Toledo and now back home. She had a part time job as a server at a local restaurant and used that money to help pay for her living expenses. She was planning on working full time this summer (with agreement with the owner) to save enough money to pay for her rent and other living expenses for the fall semester. Now that plan is down the drain. But hey, at least she didn't get a cough. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3073 on: April 29, 2020, 08:41:51 AM »
South Korea tested everyone, and eradicated the virus from their nation. Testing worked for them, and in other places.
Testing has worked to minimize impact of every other disease as well. To think testing isn't the best option we have at the moment is foolish. (Best option is vaccine, but we don't have one.) Test everyone, assist/isolate the infected, re-test those the infected have interacted with, move the healthy herd back to productivity.

I haven't been tested, but I'm also perfectly happy being a stay at home dad, homeschooling my 2 little sweet ones. If I was out in the work force, test me weekly (or as recommended by health experts) until the pandemic is under control.
Sounds great. Were do we get 200 million tests we would need on a weekly basis to do this? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3074 on: April 29, 2020, 08:43:13 AM »
I agree, the combination of keeping everyone home AND providing nothing to the masses has made it a cluster-fuq.  My thing is the lack of testing. 
Hey, wouldn't it be nice if you could get a test and go back to work the moment you were deemed virus free?  No, that wouldn't make things normal and no, it wouldn't totally prevent the spread, but it would be a helluva lot better than what you described.
Hey wouldn't be nice if every one didn't have wives/kid/Gkids to feed and care about like you.Evidently you're free as a lark good for you-if you lose a home or business,get back to me.In the mean time my friends may need a place to stay can I forward your address?I'm sure you would be on board with this.You have answers just not the right ones
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3075 on: April 29, 2020, 08:45:06 AM »
Sounds great. Were do we get 200 million tests we would need on a weekly basis to do this?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3076 on: April 29, 2020, 08:49:36 AM »
I do have friends that work here in Ohio in the medical profession........ 
Good Post NOB,said it better than I.Not saying don't take precautions just can't be held hostage by what might be under the bed or in the closet.Welcome to the 1800s we're all expendable but give it a shot
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3077 on: April 29, 2020, 08:51:21 AM »
Asked the insider trading F***s in Congress to pony up
I don't think it is a matter of money in this case as our government has shown that they will just print more. (A different topic that I will refrain from discussing on this board.)


The problem is manufacturing a test that is fairly accurate and simple to perform. A lot of testing involves sending samples to a lab and awaiting results. These test tend to be more accurate. There are some tests that give results in a matter of minutes but tend to give a lot of false pos/negs. But even those are limited. In order to effectively test the working population of the United States, on a weekly basis as was noted earlier, things change since a person was tested, you would need hundreds of millions of tests made available to ensure people are either not infected or become infected. Just not practical. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3078 on: April 29, 2020, 08:57:48 AM »
What do we do if there is no conferred immunity for this disease (either from contracting it or a vaccine)?

Or if it starts mutating rapidly to generate the same effect?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3079 on: April 29, 2020, 09:05:11 AM »
What does a test tell you (presuming it has no false pos/negs)?  That you are virus free at that moment.  What about in an hour, or a day?

How often do you need to be tested to be considered virus free? 

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