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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3052 on: April 28, 2020, 05:21:11 PM »
China needs to be disappeared?
I've asked Samantha on bewitched to wiggle her nose.Uncle Martin on My favorite Martian to point and spin his fingers and Genie to cross her arms and nod her head and nothing seems to be working.Even Scottie couldn't beam them up.Maybe Diane Pelosi can scare them off
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3053 on: April 28, 2020, 05:23:59 PM »
Sounds like a job for Hillary!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3054 on: April 28, 2020, 05:28:57 PM »

Talk about smelly
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3055 on: April 28, 2020, 05:33:32 PM »
I completely agree, oh wait, I completely disagree, um, I'm not sure, let me ask the 8 ball again.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3056 on: April 28, 2020, 05:48:37 PM »
Beer name ideas for a pandemic?"

Thoughts? Better ideas?

ELCA IPA or Reverends Rye
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3057 on: April 28, 2020, 07:06:54 PM »
So I've been reading about the Santa Clara antibody study, and it sounds like there are a lot of issues...

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/04/19/fatal-flaws-in-stanford-study-of-coronavirus-prevalence/

Primarily one of the issues is the reliability of the test. Out of 3300 people tested, they found 50 with antibodies. Literally if you employ known statistical tools to this test given the false positive rate, it's possible that zero of those 3300 people could have antibodies and you could still end up with 50 positive tests within standard confidence intervals... Which means there's very little that you can draw from it.

That doesn't get into any of the other statistical / sampling / postsampling adjustments done, some of which were questionable. 50 out of 3300 is 1.5%, yet the study authors concluded based upon this that 2.5% to 4.2% of Santa Clara County residents were likely previously infected. Statistically, the lowest bound of the results from the authors suggested an infection rate 66% higher than what they actually measured. Thats... questionable.

So upon reading, I place about zero confidence in that study, and to an extent the Los Angeles study might have some similar statistical issues because the antibody rate was still very low (but much higher than Santa Clara, so probably much more reliable). I believe the LA study had a 4.1% measured antibody rate. However IIRC it was <1000 participants, so that makes the potential ranges wider too.

It suggests that the NY study is probably more likely reliable. When you start getting numbers like 15% statewide and even 25% in NYC, you're no longer in the range where low rates of false positive/negative results really make a meaningful difference to your confidence in the numbers. I.e. you could still be wrong, but the error bars of how far wrong you are are not exactly heavily impacted by test accuracy. 

Note that the NY studies show probably somewhere in the range of a 0.5-0.78 true mortality rate... Much higher than the seasonal flu... 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3058 on: April 28, 2020, 07:13:52 PM »
.Why is it that everyone i've talked to who either works in Hospitals/Nursing facilities and know of other in them has no 1st hand accounts of death to pass on.Just curious.If we don't get it in gear and try something jobs lost,blasted hopes and broken dreams and the CCP wins in abstentia 
« Last Edit: April 28, 2020, 09:01:48 PM by MrNubbz »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3059 on: April 28, 2020, 10:28:17 PM »
.Why is it that everyone i've talked to who either works in Hospitals/Nursing facilities and know of other in them has no 1st hand accounts of death to pass on.Just curious.If we don't get it in gear and try something jobs lost,blasted hopes and broken dreams and the CCP wins in abstentia
I do.

I actually know 5 people that have/had the virus.

3 were pretty sick but got over it.
1 is a leukemia patient and was just diagnosed.  It's early yet, but the outlook is not good.

The last guy is an interesting case.  He has a social hobby and about a month or more ago he was notified that someone at his event tested positive and was told to self quarantine.  This is before things were officially locked down.  10-15 days later he starts making daily posts on facebook about how he was diagnosed with COVID19 and how bad it is.  He started self quarantining but had a lot of problems and had to go to the ER at least twice.  He finally seemed to be getting better this week, just dizzy spells and a very minor fever.  He made a post yesterday about how it was a bad day and he apparently wasn't out of the woods yet.

Today he wakes up totally confused because he doesn't remember the last 24 hours.  At all.  He looks at the previous day on his phone and see texts, facebook posts, outgoing calls, etc. etc. and remembers NOTHING.  Here's his post:

4/28: Day 26? Or is it Day 42? Daily checkin
This is scary. I have zero memory of yesterday. In my mind, "yesterday" was Sunday, and the things I remember from last night were Sunday night. Monday never happened. My computer tells me that today is Tuesday. Diane tells me that I repeated a story about "yesterday" that I had already told a day ago, yesterday. But to me, yesterday was when it happened, and I am just now telling the story.
I have no overt symptoms today. Temp is 98.7, no chills or fever, almost no coughing, all the other symptoms are gone. But Monday is gone, too.
There are signs in my email, SMS, and browser history that I existed on Monday and interacted with people. But I have no memory of it. Reading it is like reading a book someone else wrote. It's all new to me.
Do any of you remember me on Monday 4/27? I don't.
My mind is the only thing I have. If I can't count on that, then I'm hosed. Feeling rather scared now...



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3060 on: April 28, 2020, 10:33:42 PM »
.Why is it that everyone i've talked to who either works in Hospitals/Nursing facilities and know of other in them has no 1st hand accounts of death to pass on.Just curious.If we don't get it in gear and try something jobs lost,blasted hopes and broken dreams and the CCP wins in abstentia
Oh, and to answer your question:  My neighbor is a pediatrician.  Lost a 1 year old.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3061 on: April 28, 2020, 11:53:09 PM »
.Why is it that everyone i've talked to who either works in Hospitals/Nursing facilities and know of other in them has no 1st hand accounts of death to pass on.Just curious.If we don't get it in gear and try something jobs lost,blasted hopes and broken dreams and the CCP wins in abstentia
This is icky, man.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3062 on: April 29, 2020, 12:41:34 AM »
It's gonna get a lot ickier.People who lose everything are going to be looking at tarts like you popping off who could give a shit if they do.Still doesn't change the fact that this is a miniscule number as unfortunate as it is to be putting the torch to our lives by .I've talked to 6 neighbors today and on anonymous messge board individual.The neighbors say we have to chance it and they're pissed
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3063 on: April 29, 2020, 12:55:47 AM »
.Why is it that everyone i've talked to who either works in Hospitals/Nursing facilities and know of other in them has no 1st hand accounts of death to pass on.Just curious.If we don't get it in gear and try something jobs lost,blasted hopes and broken dreams and the CCP wins in abstentia
I mean, we'd have to know where you lived, how many people you talked to, have half a sense of where they worked ...

If I were to guess you lived in Ohio, purely by your fandom, 799 people have died in that state. Not knowing a single medical professional who was somewhat close to those doesn't seem so surprising. 

Shoot, we've had the flu numbers thrown around, but how often does someone directly tell you about flu deaths (I suppose they're less interesting).

But if you want to help with those jobs and dreams, you can donate to all manner of organizations buying local to feed whoever. Or eat takeout every meal. Or get takeout and donate that too. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3064 on: April 29, 2020, 01:03:11 AM »
China needs to be disappeared?
The CCP surely does.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3065 on: April 29, 2020, 01:05:34 AM »
Iowa has been doing some antibody testing since the 15th, but I'm not sure if it's large scale
started at U of Iowa hospitals
a pharmacy near Des Moines was trying to be approved for testing by the Feds
There's a building on 11th St. (old Route 66) in Tulsa with signs that read "Antibody Test Site," but I don't know if it's up and running yet.
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