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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2954 on: April 27, 2020, 03:24:18 PM »
my understanding is that the Governor isn't shutting down meatpacking plants

the plants are shutting down because too many workers are too sick to work or too afraid of getting sick to report to work
Potter county where Amarillo is located has had 333 cases and 6 deaths so I dont think they will close unless it gets a lot worse
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2955 on: April 27, 2020, 03:47:52 PM »
I've never been inside a plant like that, but I'm assuming they don't have much distance between workers?  And that it would be difficult to space them out more?


they could go to every other station, but that would cut production in half
I'd guess the issue is more with lockerooms, cafeterias, rest rooms, and other common areas than the work stations, but I don't know this
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2956 on: April 27, 2020, 03:48:31 PM »
Potter county where Amarillo is located has had 333 cases and 6 deaths so I dont think they will close unless it gets a lot worse
would 333 cases be a higher than normal rate for rural Texas?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2957 on: April 27, 2020, 03:49:02 PM »
We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2958 on: April 27, 2020, 03:54:50 PM »
Yes, I'd read about the voluntary closures, which also tied to my neighbor's experience at his shop. 

I think we're all going to have to come to the understanding that a "hot spot" of cases doesn't necessarily mean a hot spot for severe symptoms or death.

This isn't going away, we're going to have to learn to live with it among us, and so we're going to need to find mechanisms for managing it in our daily lives.  I don't think that going forward, that answer is going to be able to be, "shut everything down" when we encounter cases of this disease.  That's just not going to be a realistic or sustainable option.


It can absolutely be an option, but America wouldn't have the stomach for it.  A real shutdown would last 3 weeks give or take.  That's when streets are closed and there is absolutely no leaving your house or you'll be arrested for it.  China implemented it in a very brutal way, that would certainly never fly here.

South Korea's "real shutdown" would be a tough sell, and that was a cakewalk compared to China.  They had a FEMA equivalent who you could call for deliveries of food, water, and emergencies, and they had prepped hundreds of thousands of tests ahead of time.  They implemented mass testing and their outbreak was over in the blink of an eye.

Personally, I don't think things are going to get better until we implement mass testing, at a bare minimum.  We have been topped out at 150,000 tests per day for around 30 days now.  That's absolutely ridiculous.  The richest country on earth, and we can't afford to make and process more tests?  Blows the mind.

From a data standpoint, testing in the USA has been about 20% positive.  We have maxxed out at 150,000 tests.  That's about 30,000 positive cases per day that we can add just mathematically.  Guess how many cases we've been adding per day for the last month or so.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2959 on: April 27, 2020, 03:56:08 PM »
they could go to every other station, but that would cut production in half
I'd guess the issue is more with lockerooms, cafeterias, rest rooms, and other common areas than the work stations, but I don't know this
All company cafeterias and common rooms should be closed down already, that's the first thing that happened in most office or commercial buildings.

Locker rooms could be a problem, you'd need to regulate the flow and limit entry/egress.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2960 on: April 27, 2020, 04:00:37 PM »
would 333 cases be a higher than normal rate for rural Texas?
333 is about .3 percent of the county population so its not alarmingly high
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2961 on: April 27, 2020, 04:02:42 PM »
My son who is working from home was told today that his office will reopen 2 weeks from today

here in Houston masks and all
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« Reply #2962 on: April 27, 2020, 04:08:41 PM »
My son who is working from home was told today that his office will reopen 2 weeks from today

here in Houston masks and all

Governor just said phase 1 of reopening begins Friday.  Phase 2 will be on 5/18 if data remains steady.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2963 on: April 27, 2020, 04:15:07 PM »
It can absolutely be an option, but America wouldn't have the stomach for it.  A real shutdown would last 3 weeks give or take.  That's when streets are closed and there is absolutely no leaving your house or you'll be arrested for it.  China implemented it in a very brutal way, that would certainly never fly here.

South Korea's "real shutdown" would be a tough sell, and that was a cakewalk compared to China.  They had a FEMA equivalent who you could call for deliveries of food, water, and emergencies, and they had prepped hundreds of thousands of tests ahead of time.  They implemented mass testing and their outbreak was over in the blink of an eye.

Personally, I don't think things are going to get better until we implement mass testing, at a bare minimum.  We have been topped out at 150,000 tests per day for around 30 days now.  That's absolutely ridiculous.  The richest country on earth, and we can't afford to make and process more tests?  Blows the mind.

From a data standpoint, testing in the USA has been about 20% positive.  We have maxxed out at 150,000 tests.  That's about 30,000 positive cases per day that we can add just mathematically.  Guess how many cases we've been adding per day for the last month or so.
all the testing in the world wont get the job done cause its a point in time measurement 

we need antibody testing and a lot of it

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2964 on: April 27, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »
All company cafeterias and common rooms should be closed down already, that's the first thing that happened in most office or commercial buildings.

Locker rooms could be a problem, you'd need to regulate the flow and limit entry/egress.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2965 on: April 27, 2020, 04:27:05 PM »
all the testing in the world wont get the job done cause its a point in time measurement

we need antibody testing and a lot of it


We need it all of it, really.

In South Korea (and other places) they have set up drive thru testing areas.  You get tested in your car and your test result will be texted to your phone in the next 6 hours.

40+ days of quarantine and the wait in PA for results in still 7-10 business days.  Madness.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2966 on: April 27, 2020, 04:28:17 PM »
My son who is working from home was told today that his office will reopen 2 weeks from today

here in Houston masks and all
My company is already working on "return to site" rules and plans... Nothing concrete yet on dates. But they're going to be taking temps, ensuring adequate spacing of work environment, etc. 

Granted, we're considered essential infrastructure so we've had some employees who never left work sites--anyone involved in production, lab testing, or any other function that couldn't reasonably be done from home was still coming in and practicing distancing.

I expect they'll phase it in slowly, focusing on the roles which are "hard" but not impossible to do from home.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2967 on: April 27, 2020, 04:29:07 PM »
Passed a million cases today nationally...

 

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