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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2940 on: April 27, 2020, 02:33:26 PM »
we need to solve this problem quick

Trump needs to jump all over this

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures
I'm just confused...

These are the businesses that are remaining open because they're [rightly] considered "essential infrastructure".

And they're closing because of outbreaks and deaths amongst their workers.

And this is an argument to re-open the rest of the economy? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2941 on: April 27, 2020, 02:34:38 PM »
I recall going to Waffle House in college around 2 AM pretty often when studying.  A semi-GF worked there night shift.  You'd see some people in coats and ties and drunk students and studying students and just plain drunks.  Their HQ is near where I grew up.  There is a Waffle House Index.

The Waffle House Index is an informal metric named after the Waffle House restaurant chain and is used by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to determine the effect of a storm and the likely scale of assistance required for disaster recovery.[1]

The index has three levels, based on the extent of operations and service at the restaurant following a storm:[2][3]
  • GREEN: full menu – restaurant has power and damage is limited or no damage at all.
  • YELLOW: limited menu – no power or only power from a generator, or food supplies may be low.
  • RED: the restaurant is closed – indicating severe damage or severe flooding.

Overall, in 2020, Waffle Houses closed at this rate:

  • April 3: 38.9% closed[12]
  • April 6: 56.1% closed[13]
  • April 8: 70.6% closed[14]
  • April 13: 72.4% closed[15]
  • April 16: 78.6% closed[16]
  • April 17: 99.0% closed[17]




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2942 on: April 27, 2020, 02:43:15 PM »
I'm just confused...

These are the businesses that are remaining open because they're [rightly] considered "essential infrastructure".

And they're closing because of outbreaks and deaths amongst their workers.

And this is an argument to re-open the rest of the economy?
So youre not in favor of reopening where possible?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2943 on: April 27, 2020, 02:47:13 PM »
I'm just confused...

These are the businesses that are remaining open because they're [rightly] considered "essential infrastructure".

And they're closing because of outbreaks and deaths amongst their workers.

And this is an argument to re-open the rest of the economy?
I didn't read anything about deaths.  It didn't even really say anything about people feeling sick.  We already know that 50% or more of people that test positive have no symptoms at all.  

I point this out, because a neighbor who works as the business manager for a machine shop, was forced to close down his entire shop, when one of the workers tested positive.  That worker had mild symptoms, got tested, and tested positive.  So the corporate office shut down the entire shop, and had several other employees tested, and those results are still pending.  IF they come back negative, they might be allowed to reopen.  If they come back positive, then the shop will remain closed for several more weeks, even though only one person ever felt any symptoms at all, and is now recovering and feeling fine.

Point being, this is something we're doing to ourselves, by choice.  At the micro level, we're shutting down entire shops of people that feel fine, because one person felt sick. Thousands of man-hours of lost productivity, because this one guy had a fairly mild case, and is already feeling better. 

At the macro level, we're shutting down entire industries, with billions of man-hours of lost productivity.  And we're doing this by our own choices.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2944 on: April 27, 2020, 02:51:14 PM »
We walked 3+ miles and got Asian take out again that we ate in the park.  The weather today is flat perfect, it could not be better.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2945 on: April 27, 2020, 02:52:09 PM »
So youre not in favor of reopening where possible?
I'm in favor of reopening where/when possible, in a smart and controlled way. The big concern, that we would completely overwhelm the health care system, appears to suggest that controlled reopening and watching the numbers might be possible as we're not overwhelming the health care system.

I'm just saying that a lot of the meat processing plants aren't closed because of government "stay at home" orders--they closed because remaining open resulted in outbreaks and had to shut down because of outbreaks. Clearly being open was the problem, not the solution.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2946 on: April 27, 2020, 02:53:22 PM »
The lag time between cause and effect is a problem.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2947 on: April 27, 2020, 02:59:45 PM »
My tip of the day:

Buy your fishing pole before the hoarders show up.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2948 on: April 27, 2020, 03:04:45 PM »
I didn't read anything about deaths.  It didn't even really say anything about people feeling sick.  We already know that 50% or more of people that test positive have no symptoms at all. 
The Fox News article said that 4 Tyson employees have died of Coronavirus. It didn't offer more specifics.

Within the article it was linked to another Fox article discussing the Waterloo, Iowa closure, which appeared to be a voluntary action by Tyson. I don't know actual case rates. However the county says 90% of new cases in the county are tied to that plant
90% of new cases in the county are tied to that plant

And the Smithfield plant in Sioux Falls apparently had hundreds of confirmed cases.

These are essential businesses... However it appears that by remaining open, hot spots are being created around them.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2949 on: April 27, 2020, 03:06:22 PM »
I'm in favor of reopening where/when possible, in a smart and controlled way. The big concern, that we would completely overwhelm the health care system, appears to suggest that controlled reopening and watching the numbers might be possible as we're not overwhelming the health care system.

I'm just saying that a lot of the meat processing plants aren't closed because of government "stay at home" orders--they closed because remaining open resulted in outbreaks and had to shut down because of outbreaks. Clearly being open was the problem, not the solution.
I dont know if your are right or wrong it doesnt matter cause these places cant close down if we expect to survive 

They need to remain open no matter what

theres a solution somewhere and we need to find it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2950 on: April 27, 2020, 03:09:21 PM »
Yes, I'd read about the voluntary closures, which also tied to my neighbor's experience at his shop.  

I think we're all going to have to come to the understanding that a "hot spot" of cases doesn't necessarily mean a hot spot for severe symptoms or death.

This isn't going away, we're going to have to learn to live with it among us, and so we're going to need to find mechanisms for managing it in our daily lives.  I don't think that going forward, that answer is going to be able to be, "shut everything down" when we encounter cases of this disease.  That's just not going to be a realistic or sustainable option.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2951 on: April 27, 2020, 03:16:00 PM »
theres a beef plant in Amarillo?
big one, it's been there since at least 1985

I worked on a few projects there
got to eat at the Big Texan!  

huge coyotes there - I asked the driver that picked me up at the airport about the coyotes - he said, you should see the size of the rats around the plant!

the engineer I was on the first trip there told me the great thing about Amarillo was that there was a pretty girl behind every tree
no trees
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2952 on: April 27, 2020, 03:17:39 PM »
my understanding is that the Governor isn't shutting down meatpacking plants

the plants are shutting down because too many workers are too sick to work or too afraid of getting sick to report to work
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2953 on: April 27, 2020, 03:23:21 PM »
I've never been inside a plant like that, but I'm assuming they don't have much distance between workers?  And that it would be difficult to space them out more?


 

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