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It didn't bother me, but I see bayarea's point.

"Elites" has been used so often it has become like "fascists."  It just means "people I don't like."

To me, it only reminds me how much of a clown Minnesota's coach is.

I would very much like to dine outside.  For lunch anyway we almost never dine inside if the weather is remotely pleasant.

Im convinced that the only way to beat this thing is through herd immunity without a vaccine

we need to reopen as much as possible while at the same time protecting certain high risk groups

it wont be easy but hay life is a bitch anyway so we might as well get on with it

A vaccine can be part of herd immunity.  I think we should monitor Sweden closely.

I think there's people on that like white on rice.

A vaccine can be part of herd immunity.  I think we should monitor Sweden closely.

So far it's quite interesting.

Sweden is 7th on the list of deaths/1M population with 213 (amongst populated countries, I leave off San Marino, Andorra, and Sint Maarten). Against their most direct peers (Norway at 36 & Finland at 32), they have roughly 6x the number of deaths per 1M residents. 

I also question their case counts, as their #tests/1M population is not particularly high relative to other OECD countries, and their death/case percentage is currently 12.2%, so I think they *must* have a high proportion of undocumented cases, i.e. they're only giving tests to people who they're fairly sure have it. 

Still, if they're able to do this while countries like Italy, France, Spain, and the UK are all shut down and have higher deaths/1M, maybe the strategy works well enough relative to mandated shutdowns. I think the next week or two will tell us a lot. 

I would totally agree with you here if the mask protection was reversed.  If wearing a mask was primarily for the wearer's benefit, you should be able to opt out, because you'd be risking your own health. 
But because it's primarily for other's benefit, and your opting out would be risking other's health, it's really their rights at play here.  You not wearing a mask puts them at greater risk. 


At least, that's the thinking behind it.  There's one thing I'll give my rights away for, and that's for the greater good. 

There are many times, I will "voluntarily" give up my rights, but I will not ascend to any government and/or other authority taking away my rights "for the greater good." I will fight it either actively or passively, but I will fight it. 

One of the premises of the founding of this country is that our rights are not given by the government, they are natural or God-given depending on your view. And because of this the government cannot take them away, except when I do something that causes me to give up those rights.