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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2450 on: April 21, 2020, 11:37:24 PM »
They're all battling to be the last sap with black-lung in the last coal mine.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2451 on: April 21, 2020, 11:38:26 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2452 on: April 21, 2020, 11:48:50 PM »
This is probably also going to accelerate the closure of lower-profile private small colleges that don't have very big endowments so they're very tuition dependent. It's already been happening over the past decade or so. Those in the Northeast and Midwest are at greatest risk since the number of college-aged students has been steadily decreasing since 2010 or so. This is expected to be an even bigger issue in about five years because the fertility rate has fallen substantially during and since the 2008 recession.

In the short term, if the job market doesn't recover quickly, it could be a boon for graduate programs, community colleges, and other public colleges that tend to have older students, of course, similar to the last recession, especially those with online programs.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2453 on: April 22, 2020, 12:46:56 AM »
They're all battling to be the last sap with black-lung in the last coal mine.
No, that's not what they are doing.  They're trying to make a living.
Easy for you to dismiss them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2454 on: April 22, 2020, 01:07:32 AM »
Yup OAM talks out of both sides of his mouth,Robber barons have done way more damage than people hanging on to shitty jobs.And he pisses and moans about both of them.Some folks have families with no recourse,
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« Reply #2455 on: April 22, 2020, 02:44:28 AM »
It's not an either/or thing.  So while you call it talking out of both sides, the answer to nearly every either/or is BOTH.  Yes, the ultra wealthy have "won" under the current structure and are motivated to prevent change, often unethically  AND yes, the coal miners in 2020 are playing the violin on the Titanic.  They aren't educated and lack the confidence to try something new.  Both are true.  And I'm the asshole for pointing this out?

My crime is having been raised by parents who gave a damn.  I'm a jerk because I'm smart and educated, which SORRY, doesn't nulify my right to speak about coal miners.  No one forced them to have 4 kids, raising them to be coal miners.  Hell, Mr. Peabody probably sent someone around to every store to buy up all the condoms in KY/WV.  Got to pump out that next generation of workers! 

I'm the jerk because an entire group of people failed at instilling confidence and the bravery to go out to do something new with their lives.  This sickness of doing something because it was good enough for your parents is how the rich hold entire towns under their thumb, it's how religions survive despite lacking any evidence, and it's how our economic foundations pause - thus rewarding those who have already "won."

But I'm the jerk.  Thanks.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2456 on: April 22, 2020, 02:46:18 AM »
No, that's not what they are doing.  They're trying to make a living.
Easy for you to dismiss them.
It's not fair to blame them for their narrow scope of possibility.  It is fair to blame them for ignoring it.  The moment a person becomes aware of their plight, it's on them to combat it.
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« Reply #2457 on: April 22, 2020, 03:32:47 AM »
Your circumstances were different - there but by the grace of god go I.You obviously couldn't give a shit after a limpdick remark like that.Oh your parents cared - so much so they would produce a snot who shits on the less fortunate.Why don't you spend your time working with the less fortunate rather than lampooning them,since you are so gifted .But I'll get off the board now you may want to badmouth Special Olympians
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2458 on: April 22, 2020, 09:20:29 AM »
Pharma is still pretty generous with per diems. Abbvie will allow you $100 for dinner. They cut back on the amount of alcohol you could expense at meetings but even at that I’ve seen bar bills that probably should have been kicked back but the managers just pretty much blindly approve them without really looking at them.
In sales, when you're out with a client, Baxter had no limit (except a 2 drink max).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2459 on: April 22, 2020, 09:25:48 AM »
It's not fair to blame them for their narrow scope of possibility.  It is fair to blame them for ignoring it.  The moment a person becomes aware of their plight, it's on them to combat it.
I've got a few neighborhoods in Chicago that could use a speech on this.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2460 on: April 22, 2020, 09:36:36 AM »


Why do people cling so tightly to shitty jobs?  Like the coal workers.  Why does it matter so much that you do what your grandpappy did?  Why do you WANT a miserable existence?  No, the unknown is not always worse than the unpleasantness of the known.
In the case of coal mining it’s money.  I’ve known college educated men to give up lesser paying white collar jobs to go in the mines because they could make more.

And not everyone considers it a miserable existence.  I have an uncle who worked in the mines basically his entire adult life.  He retired a few years ago. He supported his wife and four kids with the job and while he is enjoying retirement also says he sometimes misses the work. And while I don’t know for sure I believe he retired to seven figures in his 401k.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2461 on: April 22, 2020, 09:45:43 AM »
I thought cost was why we don't manufacture anymore.  You have to pay an American worker way more than a kid in China.  No? 

We do have a problem here, or a fear I should say, of being on the leading edge of technology/machines/robots/A.I..  Yes, it's going to take a lot of reeeeally cushy factory jobs.  Artificially delaying it will only make it worse when it inevitably happens. 
It's not automation, it's communication. 

Prior to the internet, high-tech complex manufacturing was very difficult to outsource. The on-the-ground expertise and real-time communication to the design/engineering teams needed made it difficult to produce quality products. 

That all changed, dramatically, over the last 20 years. With most everything being done/stored electronically, with rich communication (email w/attachments, even video conferencing) the ability to transmit complex information back and forth, and with cheap voice communication (VOIP rather than the old-school long distance plan), it's basically shrunk the globe to the point where "over there" is no longer very far away. 

Working across time zones can still be a PITA, but that's more of an annoyance than a hard constraint. For some teams, it can actually be a benefit, because people working in the US during our day can hand findings off to Asia who can continue the work while we sleep, and then have results/findings ready to review back in the US when we wake up. Rinse/repeat. 

Prior to the internet, it was impossible to take advantage of foreign low-cost labor except for easy-to-produce goods. Now we can do so, and further, increases in education in places like China/India mean that they also have high-skill workers available too. A software engineer in Bangalore costs a lot less  to employ than a software engineer in San Jose. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2462 on: April 22, 2020, 09:46:24 AM »
In sales, when you're out with a client, Baxter had no limit (except a 2 drink max).
Ah, I see what you mean now. I was talking about what I could spend on me at meetings or when I had to be out of town.

By the time I got in it field reps couldn’t take customers out unless it was a formal educational dinner. And even then we had a $100 per person limit.  Yes, upper level management can still do that but I honestly don’t know if they have a limit or not.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2463 on: April 22, 2020, 09:48:16 AM »
I've got a few neighborhoods in Chicago that could use a speech on this.


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