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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2240 on: April 18, 2020, 04:52:39 PM »
I think it was bad judgement (16, duh) to post, and I think it was bad judgement for the sheriff to threaten arrest.

A simple "knock it off and here's why" would have been the way to go.
It should not have come from the sheriff

just to show up in uniform would pose a threat to me

the school should have contacted them and made a friendly request with an explanation
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2241 on: April 18, 2020, 05:03:39 PM »
his own "adopted" party doesn't even like him
No one in the establishment on either side the of the aisle likes him because he’s a threat to their power and to the status quo. The guy is a billionaire several times over, which means he can’t be bought by special interest donors like the rest of them can.

Even the richest person in Congress- which is probably Mitt Romney- looks poor in comparison to Trump. Trump could self-fund campaigns if he chose too.  Most of them can’t. They rely on Wall Street and Fortune 500 donors. 

Unfortunately in my view the guy has played ball with the establishment way too much and hasn’t broken their backs like he was campaigning on. Which is why you’ve seen most of the Republicans pretty much publicly embrace him when at the very beginning they were trying to do everything and anything they could to discredit him and rig the process against him winning the nomination. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2242 on: April 18, 2020, 05:07:50 PM »
That's true.

But you could say the much same thing about the 43rd president.  "Selected, not elected," "illegitimate president," and all that.
Yet 43 behaved much differently than 45 has.
Maybe one's character shows most clearly under pressure.
From Thomas Paine's The American Crisis, Issue No. 1, 23 December 1776, 3 days before the crossing of the Delaware and the capture of Trenton.
The familiar line: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."  Too familiar, I fear.  So much so that we seldom think of it.
But then this: "Voltaire has remarked that King William never appeared to full advantage but in difficulties and in action; the same remark may be made on General Washington, for the character fits him. There is a natural firmness in some minds which cannot be unlocked by trifles, but which, when unlocked, discovers a cabinet of fortitude; and I reckon it among those kind of public blessings, which we do not immediately see, that God hath blessed him with uninterrupted health, and given him a mind that can even flourish upon care."
43 was part of the gentlemen’s club. He came from a family that is political royalty. He knew what was expected of him. He was raised in it.

45 was as outsider as they come.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2243 on: April 18, 2020, 05:41:13 PM »
No one in the establishment on either side the of the aisle likes him because he’s a threat to their power and to the status quo. The guy is a billionaire several times over, which means he can’t be bought by special interest donors like the rest of them can.

Even the richest person in Congress- which is probably Mitt Romney- looks poor in comparison to Trump. Trump could self-fund campaigns if he chose too.  Most of them can’t. They rely on Wall Street and Fortune 500 donors.

Unfortunately in my view the guy has played ball with the establishment way too much and hasn’t broken their backs like he was campaigning on. Which is why you’ve seen most of the Republicans pretty much publicly embrace him when at the very beginning they were trying to do everything and anything they could to discredit him and rig the process against him winning the nomination.
Anyone can be bought.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2244 on: April 18, 2020, 07:03:59 PM »
This guy, no matter if you like him, hate him, or are indifferent to him (me) was never, ever going to get a fair shake from the media, nor from the "other side". He's been under investigation for impeachment since day one, and still is. It's hard to "lead" under those conditions.
What conditions did he not create for himself?  
This post acts like he was a harmless unknown until he took office.  That's dishonest and absurd.  The entire lead-up, through the primaries and into the national election displayed who and what he is.  That's what was being reacted to.  It wasn't some preconceived hatred, it was responding to what he said and what he did.
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This victim card bullshit is incredulous.  Just stop.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2245 on: April 18, 2020, 07:05:19 PM »
Anyone can be bought.
Trump is easily bought...with attention.  Ratings.  Acceptance by those he values.  He's a cheap mark, actually.  Just blow smoke up his ass, doesn't cost you a dime.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2246 on: April 18, 2020, 07:16:34 PM »
Ali-Frazier I on ESPN right now.   My dad paid 20 dollars to watch this fight on closed circuit television at a 3000 seat arena in 1971.  He said that was a lot of money to him (it’s actually equivalent to a little over $127 today) but said it was worth every penny. Always called it the best fight he had ever seen. Many super fights don’t live up to their billing.  

This one did.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2247 on: April 18, 2020, 07:21:09 PM »
The wealthiest person in Congress is apparently Kelly Loeffler.  Who you might ask?  Junior Senator from GA.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2248 on: April 18, 2020, 07:42:13 PM »
Trump is easily bought...with attention.  Ratings.  Acceptance by those he values.  He's a cheap mark, actually.  Just blow smoke up his ass, doesn't cost you a dime.
This makes him just like every other politician in Washington.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2249 on: April 18, 2020, 07:54:14 PM »
What conditions did he not create for himself? 
This post acts like he was a harmless unknown until he took office.  That's dishonest and absurd.  The entire lead-up, through the primaries and into the national election displayed who and what he is.  That's what was being reacted to.  It wasn't some preconceived hatred, it was responding to what he said and what he did.
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This victim card bullshit is incredulous.  Just stop.
He never said he was a victim.   He said the media and opposition party would never give him a fair shake.

if you can sit here and say they have, you would be a focus group of one.  Even most on the left openly admit that is their playbook - relentless criticism and obstruction, use any and every situation or word to try to discredit him, blame him or indict him.

absent is, often, the espousing of any constructive ideas or of their own.  

I dare say, even those who hate him admit as much.  Hate him all you want, but you can’t claim with credibility that he has been treated fairly. And I will say it again, I don’t like the guy. Some of the shit that comes out of his mouth and tweets is pretty bad.

but in judgement of his actions....I can separate that out.  And lastly- you have to take into account what alternatives have been presented.  So many that would take his place talk about things that just won’t ever sit well with most people in this country...in fact they find them scary and offensive.   
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2250 on: April 18, 2020, 08:30:58 PM »
This makes him just like every other politician in Washington. 

Yup.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2251 on: April 18, 2020, 08:39:12 PM »

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« Reply #2252 on: April 18, 2020, 08:45:25 PM »
He never said he was a victim.  He said the media and opposition party would never give him a fair shake.

if you can sit here and say they have, you would be a focus group of one.  Even most on the left openly admit that is their playbook - relentless criticism and obstruction, use any and every situation or word to try to discredit him, blame him or indict him.

absent is, often, the espousing of any constructive ideas or of their own. 

I dare say, even those who hate him admit as much.  Hate him all you want, but you can’t claim with credibility that he has been treated fairly. And I will say it again, I don’t like the guy. Some of the shit that comes out of his mouth and tweets is pretty bad.

but in judgement of his actions....I can separate that out.  And lastly- you have to take into account what alternatives have been presented.  So many that would take his place talk about things that just won’t ever sit well with most people in this country...in fact they find them scary and offensive. 
No, just no.
His coverage - which he has garnered and sought out, mind you - has mirrored his words and actions.  From the day he threw his hat in the ring, his words and actions has earned him all the criticism in the world.  But he EARNED it.  It has zero to do with the idea of a fair shake - the coverage is what it is.  They didn't change his words.  They haven't altered his actions.  
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You don't have to hate him to find him absurd, incompetent, and a mental/emotional child.  I don't have to invent anything, skew anything, or produce any inordinate dislike for him, merely cite his words and actions.  He's a garbage human being.  He is SOLELY self-serving.  He wouldn't piss on a burning poor person or brown person to save their life.  He is ill-prepared in every scope of the job.  He's the most explicit hypocrite I've ever witnessed.  These are truths, and the more you observe him, the more true they become.  
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His supporters/defenders keep conjuring this fantasy that he's been treated unfairly.  Why on earth does he expect to be treated well?  Why would any person outputting the rubbish he does expect anything positive coming back at them?  This idea that are unfairly against him is nuts.  People are against him because he's awful.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2253 on: April 18, 2020, 08:57:18 PM »
One of the most delightful things in life will be watching people like OAM tear themselves apart with grief 

when Trump wins another 4 years as our President
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