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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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GopherRock

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1624 on: April 10, 2020, 09:03:58 AM »
The reason why the models look like they do today is because of the action taken a month ago. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1625 on: April 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AM »
The models have done their best to  iterate and incorporate new findings.  So they DID include goals and targets and cutoffs for "if we achieve 50% reduction in contact then we will incur X amount of risk" or "at 75% reduction in contact we have Y amount of risk" and so on.

But like CD says, there was so little information when formulating those risk scenarios, they weren't much more than a shot in the dark.

And we're still climbing the infection/case/ICU/death curve in many locations, so we still don't really know.  What if deaths don't taper off as they're currently modeling, in many regions?  What if they plateau and just stay there-- which might indicate that our current level of contact reduction has arrived at a steady-state for transmission and symptom development?

We don't have ANY of those answers yet.  The data are being fed back into the models, the information gets better, the approximations should improve, and hopefully that gives us a more positive outlook.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1626 on: April 10, 2020, 09:09:39 AM »
The reason why the models look like they do today is because of the action taken a month ago.
True in part.  But the models from a month ago DID include scenarios for social distancing/reduction in contact, and they were still predicting much worse outcomes than the current models are.

That's largely due to increased and improved information.  We're able to adjust the constants and the relationships of the variables in the model as we gain a better understanding of the virus itself, as well as improved understanding of the effects of social distancing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1627 on: April 10, 2020, 09:13:07 AM »
Kinda makes you wonder about all those climate change models predicting gloom and doom
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1628 on: April 10, 2020, 09:15:51 AM »
The reason why the models look like they do today is because of the action taken a month ago.
so model makers will never be wrong

all they have to say is well we took action so that why the model is way off
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1629 on: April 10, 2020, 09:16:19 AM »
Utee, exactly. All of us sports fans know that early season models and projection suffer from GIGO and lack of data. More data comes in, inputs get tweaked, iterative process, and things look a lot more accurate halfway through the season then they did at the start. 

Maybe this is because engineers tend to analyze the hell out of a data set without always understanding the context. Either way, more properly filtered info is rarely a bad thing. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1630 on: April 10, 2020, 09:18:07 AM »
Utee, exactly. All of us sports fans know that early season models and projection suffer from GIGO and lack of data. More data comes in, inputs get tweaked, iterative process, and things look a lot more accurate halfway through the season then they did at the start.

Maybe this is because engineers tend to analyze the hell out of a data set without always understanding the context. Either way, more properly filtered info is rarely a bad thing.
Come on my old friend, you and I both know that engineers NEVER get anything wrong.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1631 on: April 10, 2020, 09:30:12 AM »
we shut down the worlds most successful economy based on these models

what bothers me more then that is all the lefty folks saying we need to be shut down for at least a year

(after the election)

what a crock
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1632 on: April 10, 2020, 09:52:20 AM »
Staying shut down a year is so laughably impossible it's not even worth discussing.

Staying shut down beyond the end of April is going to be a Herculean task for this nation.  




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1633 on: April 10, 2020, 09:56:29 AM »
Staying shut down a year is so laughably impossible it's not even worth discussing.

Staying shut down beyond the end of April is going to be a Herculean task for this nation. 




Hope youre right

We need some models on opening the economy back up

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1634 on: April 10, 2020, 09:57:43 AM »
Well, Sweden is trying the different approach. No lockdown, but "encouraging" social distancing
No lockdown, but "encouraging" social distancing

Sweden may be the country to tell us whether we did it right or wrong. Which is sad, because if we did it wrong, we hampered our economy for no reason... If Sweden did it wrong, there will be a hell of a lot more dead Swedes than there should have been. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1635 on: April 10, 2020, 10:02:58 AM »
Yup, Sweden's going to be an interesting study.  I hope, for their sake, they're not on a completely wrong path.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1637 on: April 10, 2020, 10:13:46 AM »
Clearly that's bad, but at least it's a V and not a U. 

 

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