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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9674 on: October 23, 2020, 10:44:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2020, 09:26:15 AM
I have higher hopes for a vaccine than that. I have even higher hopes for knowing how to treat it. The doctors are getting good at this.
I dunno, in the last week the 7-day MA for daily deaths started it's trend line up (exactly following the 3-week lag in cases as predicted) and has increased from just over 700/day to now just over 800. All this while yesterday's case count jumped up to be the 4th-highest daily total we've seen this year, right up there with the highest days in July. 

The doctors are a LOT better treating this than they were in March/April, I'll give you that. It remains to be seen whether there's much improvement from where they were in July and August.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9675 on: October 23, 2020, 11:07:52 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 23, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
I get a pneumonia and flu shot annually now.
and shingles?


I didn't know about a pneumonia shot
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9676 on: October 23, 2020, 11:54:57 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on October 23, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
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there are at least 3 different vaccine efforts well into phase 3 with no indication of problems

not sure why you remain so pessimistic to a successful vaccine being developed

no its never been done before but hell thats what America is all about

I think we'll develop several versions of vaccine with side effects minimal enough to be released for human injection.  I don't have much confidence we'll develop one that is effective enough-- that produces enough COVID19-specific antibodies-- to fight this thing off faster than it spreads on its own.

And I also don't have confidence that today's vaccine is going to be effective against tomorrow's mutated version of this novel coronavirus.

The two things I am relatively confident will happen, though, are that the virus will mutate itself into being less lethal, and that eventually this specific virus will recede into the collection of coronaviruses and other microbes that attack humans on an annual basis.  The herd will have developed enough T-cell response that it won't be as damaging as it is now, and eventually we'll be able to say we've moved past it.

But that is all long term, and doesn't help us at all in the short term.  Basically, we're all going to get this virus over the next year,
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9677 on: October 23, 2020, 12:12:29 PM »
I know it's a broken record, but I really believe so many more of us have had this than is being reported through testing. My wife, for example. In early March I thought I had the flu. There are many more like me, starting in November.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9678 on: October 23, 2020, 12:40:11 PM »
I've now had a cough/respiratory issues since March, which has never happened to me before.  I don't EVER get a cough.  I tested negative for COVID AB in June.  

My seasonal allergies typically kick during October, with ragweed, and again in December, with mountain cedar.  Nothing in March and most certainly nothing that would last 8 months and a cough is never one of my allergy symptoms, anyway.

But who knows?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9679 on: October 23, 2020, 12:55:51 PM »
I tested positive for AB in May, and then negative in June. I'm still being very careful, because that positive may have been a false. Tests were relatively new then, if I remember right. And I was down here at that time. Second test was at my normal hospital in Illinois (was the normal anyway).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9680 on: October 23, 2020, 01:00:51 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 23, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
I think we'll develop several versions of vaccine with side effects minimal enough to be released for human injection.  I don't have much confidence we'll develop one that is effective enough-- that produces enough COVID19-specific antibodies-- to fight this thing off faster than it spreads on its own.

And I also don't have confidence that today's vaccine is going to be effective against tomorrow's mutated version of this novel coronavirus.

The two things I am relatively confident will happen, though, are that the virus will mutate itself into being less lethal, and that eventually this specific virus will recede into the collection of coronaviruses and other microbes that attack humans on an annual basis.  The herd will have developed enough T-cell response that it won't be as damaging as it is now, and eventually we'll be able to say we've moved past it.

But that is all long term, and doesn't help us at all in the short term.  Basically, we're all going to get this virus over the next year,
wow what a downer
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9681 on: October 23, 2020, 01:14:28 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 23, 2020, 11:07:52 AM
and shingles?
I didn't know about a pneumonia shot
Me either, I had to have a presurgical physical and the doc got me the shot, he said every year once you are over 65.  He didn't really ask me either.  Whatever.

The shingles vaccines (you get 2) are permanent, I hope,  that is the one where I had a pretty bad reaction, it was brief fortunately, but not fun.

Shingles is not good to contract though, I should be good now.

As for how long a vaccine will last, we really don't know, we have T cells, as has been discussed, and you could have some level of resistance even with ABs below detection.

And the AB test can read positive because you had a cold recently, it's not as specific.

Pneumonia is of course a frequent killed of older folks, which I now am.  I just got my first ever SS payment credited to my account.  I was going to wait, but there is so much crap about the SSTF I pulled the trigger.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9682 on: October 23, 2020, 01:44:16 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on October 23, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
wow what a downer
Not really.  I'm realistic but not depressed or angry about this.

I'm upbeat about it, actually.  We just have to keep the hospitals from being overrun, and by this time next year we'll be pretty much past it.

Honestly, this is a relatively mild virus to demonstrate to us just how unprepared the entire world is for something like this.  When it happens again-- and I'm certain that it will-- we'll be a lot more prepared than we were this time.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9683 on: October 23, 2020, 01:46:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 23, 2020, 01:14:28 PM
Me either, I had to have a presurgical physical and the doc got me the shot, he said every year once you are over 65.  He didn't really ask me either.  Whatever.

The shingles vaccines (you get 2) are permanent, I hope,  that is the one where I had a pretty bad reaction, it was brief fortunately, but not fun.

I just got my first ever SS payment credited to my account.  I was going to wait, but there is so much crap about the SSTF I pulled the trigger.

only 58,  why I haven't heard of it

I was going to the bar for wings Wednesday with a few friends, so didn't want to risk a reaction that night

that's my goal, live long enough to cash a SS check!!!  My advisor says I can and should wait until I'm 70, but we'll see.  I'm not confident I'll get to my 70th birthday

                              
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9684 on: October 23, 2020, 01:47:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 23, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
Not really.  I'm realistic but not depressed or angry about this.

I'm upbeat about it, actually.  We just have to keep the hospitals from being overrun, and by this time next year we'll be pretty much past it.

Honestly, this is a relatively mild virus to demonstrate to us just how unprepared the entire world is for something like this.  When it happens again-- and I'm certain that it will-- we'll be a lot more prepared than we were this time.



we are all just VERY lucky, this thing mostly only kills the elderly
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9685 on: October 23, 2020, 01:51:40 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 23, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
Honestly, this is a relatively mild virus to demonstrate to us just how unprepared the entire world is for something like this.  When it happens again-- and I'm certain that it will-- we'll be a lot more prepared than we were this time.
Or everyone will say "we overreacted last time, I'm not letting them hoodwink me again!"

Oh yeah, I'm the depressing one.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9686 on: October 23, 2020, 02:07:25 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 23, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
Or everyone will say "we overreacted last time, I'm not letting them hoodwink me again!"

Oh yeah, I'm the depressing one.
Yeah, there's that, too.

If the next one is bad enough to get to the "bodies lining the streets" stage, then I think everyone will take notice.

If it's the same as this one, and people decide to go on with their lives, well then I'm not sure that's the incorrect choice, anyway. *shrug*

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9687 on: October 23, 2020, 02:24:21 PM »
I never had chicken pox. 
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