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like I said, I'm not an expert, but common sense tells me thousands of athletes are taking better precautions because of that outside pressure.

You argue whatever side you'd like.  human beings overall, not just this age group behave better with an outside pressure.  Get some scientific evidence. If psychology can be scientific. I don't have any.  Just my common sense.

the other common sense tells me that having these thousands of athletes being tested much more regularly and then having the outside force to quarantine themselves properly if/when they test positive is also better overall

I'm actually inclined to agree, that these players will be more careful about what they do because they are trying to remain healthy to be on the field, that the regular testing will help to at least catch their mistakes more quickly than if they were not being tested [because many due to age will be asymptomatic], and that having access to the medical staff of the university will help them to handle symptoms if they need it. 

However I still think it's a flawed argument, and advanced by people who are looking to make excuses to play sports. They're acting as if the opposite to playing is that athletes will be forcibly dunked in a vat of active virus and the only defense against that is the watchful eye of coaches and trainers and the threat of letting their teammates down. When the actual alternative is that each player has the ability to control their own actions, and control their own risk. If the alternative is that players will act irresponsibly, that's on them. 

It's basically saying that players are unable or unwilling to control themselves if they don't have that support. And while it may be true in many cases [heck, even professional athletes with millions on the line screwed that up], that's saying that we have to let them play sports--which is what they want to do--in order to protect themselves from their own bad behavior. 

It's basically saying that players are unable or unwilling to control themselves if they don't have that support. And while it may be true in many cases [heck, even professional athletes with millions on the line screwed that up], that's saying that we have to let them play sports--which is what they want to do--in order to protect themselves from their own bad behavior.

Yes, this is 100% true.  I think these college age kids are less likely to control themselves than other age groups.  So it wouldn't be a shock that those playing sports would have lower numbers than those students who are not (but still on campus).  I'm not saying every player is Aaron Hernandez, but it seems like players are more likely to get in trouble in bye weeks and during the offseason than in the heat of the season.

I'm actually inclined to agree, 

However I still think it's a flawed argument,

It's basically saying that players are unable or unwilling to control themselves if they don't have that support. And while it may be true in many cases [heck, even professional athletes with millions on the line screwed that up], that's saying that we have to let them play sports--which is what they want to do--in order to protect themselves from their own bad behavior.

so you agree, because of common sense

flawed argument - fine, but common sense says it's true

unwilling, not unable.  We can be almost certain that high percentages of the general population or any other group, even a certain low percentage of health care workers are unwilling to control themselves.

yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.... we should allow them to play sports in order to protect themselves and everyone that comes in contact with them.

So, we agree.  I knew it all along.  

yes but there is a 2 to 3 week lag time between new positives and deaths from them so we just have to hope for the best

Even adjusting for the lag time, the death totals are MUCH lower than during the first wave.

Nebraska is reinstating some restrictions to help slow the spread of COVID-19 in the state.

Gov. Pete Ricketts announced those restrictions along with a new campaign to help slow the spread during a news conference Friday afternoon.

The state has relied on DHM's, or Directed Health Measures, to reopen the state by county after spring restrictions with all counties being in "Phase 4."

Gov. Ricketts said these changes in the DHMs come as hospitalization rates rise in the state. Currently, Nebraska is seeing 40% more hospitalization than the state's peak in cases back in May.


As of Friday, there are 323 people hospitalized statewide with COVID-19 with 30% of beds, 29% of ICU beds and 70% of ventilators still available across the state.

Effective Wednesday, October 21st, the following changes will be made to the Phase 4 DHMs.

Indoor gatherings will be reduced. Current limits state indoor gatherings need to be at 75% capacity. Beginning Wednesday, indoor gatherings will be reduced to 50% capacity, the same as Phase 3 of the DHMs.
Bars and restaurants are also moving to 50% capacity and limit table size to 8 people.
For hospitals to perform elective surgeries, they must maintain 10% of staffed hospital and ICU beds in order to handle COVID-19 patients. Hospitals are also not allowed to transfer patients out to stay within that 10% cushion for elective surgeries.
New limits will also be placed on weddings and funeral sizes.


NEW STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN
The state is also launching a new statewide campaign to help slow the spread of COVID-19 in the winter months. The new campaign will focus on the Three C's: Crowded Places, Confined Spaces, Close Contact

"As we look at the contact tracing data," Ricketts said, "we see that a lot of the spread is coming from informal gatherings.

The state of Nebraska has seen two record-breaking days this week for new positive cases, with over 3,000 new positive cases added between Oct. 11th and Oct. 15th.

Sabah tested negative, he needs two more negs to coach.

did you mean Saban

You have a hard time finding the N its right next to the M

My dad gets the "N" correct, but puts a "T" in the middle rather than a "B"

I don't think he likes the man very much.

Please... If it's Satan vs Saban, I'm taking Saban and laying 7.5 point odds.