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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18830 on: June 12, 2023, 10:35:23 AM »
London Times today (paywall) had a deep piece today on the Wuhan lab leak. Very damning. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18832 on: June 12, 2023, 11:35:28 AM »
According to an investigation by The Sunday Times, scientists in Wuhan were working in collaboration with Chinese military researchers to combine the world's most deadly viruses.

It adds that the experiment may have caused a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which led to the novel coronavirus outbreak.

That hardly is convincing, to me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18833 on: June 12, 2023, 11:36:49 AM »
According to an investigation by The Sunday Times, scientists in Wuhan were working in collaboration with Chinese military researchers to combine the world's most deadly viruses.

It adds that the experiment may have caused a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which led to the novel coronavirus outbreak.

That hardly is convincing, to me.
We know it did not come from a wet market.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18834 on: June 12, 2023, 11:48:25 AM »
I don't know that for certain.  This lab buys bats from somebody, and that somebody may have been infected, and then gone to the market.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18835 on: June 12, 2023, 11:49:50 AM »
an investigation by The Sunday Times

Experts, I assume
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18836 on: June 12, 2023, 12:18:30 PM »
I don't know that for certain.  This lab buys bats from somebody, and that somebody may have been infected, and then gone to the market.
so you are suggesting that even though the lab was working on a virus coming from bats that Covid19 may not have come from the lab?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18837 on: June 12, 2023, 12:21:58 PM »
I've suggested that the lab gets bats from somewhere else, using "bat catchers" I surmise.  Those bat catchers could have been infected by catching said bats andt hen wondered over to the market later.  It's a possible scenario.  And would explain why the CCP has been so tight about information on this.

It would be the fault of the Wuhan lab, but not due to a release.  The other unresolved issue remains whether this virus is entirely zoonotic or not.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18838 on: June 12, 2023, 12:23:17 PM »
I don't know that for certain.  This lab buys bats from somebody, and that somebody may have been infected, and then gone to the market.
I believe this:

The CCP tells us it started in a market really means that it started in a lab.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18839 on: June 12, 2023, 12:26:10 PM »
I have a business associate that is a product rep for a Chinese firm.
He assumes everything the Chinese tell him is a lie.
He assumes everything I tell him is the truth.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18840 on: June 12, 2023, 12:26:45 PM »
I've suggested that the lab gets bats from somewhere else, using "bat catchers" I surmise.  Those bat catchers could have been infected by catching said bats andt hen wondered over to the market later.  It's a possible scenario.  And would explain why the CCP has been so tight about information on this.

It would be the fault of the Wuhan lab, but not due to a release.  The other unresolved issue remains whether this virus is entirely zoonotic or not.
and yet nobody has been able to find another infected bat
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18841 on: June 12, 2023, 12:34:19 PM »
I don't know that for a fact.  The bats apparently come from some distance away, and perhaps nobody has had an incentive to go back and search for more bats, or they don't want the information known.

But imagine the CCP knows what happened as I describe, they would want to cover it up, and returning to the caves to find more bats would not be in their interest either.

No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19 | MIT Technology Review

What the researchers know so far is that a coronavirus very similar to some found in horseshoe bats made the jump into humans, appeared in the Chinese city of Wuhan by December 2019, and from there ignited the biggest health calamity of the 21st century.

We also know they haven’t found the critical detail: if it was in fact a virus with an origin in horseshoe bats, how did it make its way into humans from creatures living hundreds of miles away in remote caves?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18842 on: June 12, 2023, 12:42:36 PM »
I don't know that for a fact.  The bats apparently come from some distance away, and perhaps nobody has had an incentive to go back and search for more bats, or they don't want the information known.

But imagine the CCP knows what happened as I describe, they would want to cover it up, and returning to the caves to find more bats would not be in their interest either.

No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19 | MIT Technology Review

What the researchers know so far is that a coronavirus very similar to some found in horseshoe bats made the jump into humans, appeared in the Chinese city of Wuhan by December 2019, and from there ignited the biggest health calamity of the 21st century.

We also know they haven’t found the critical detail: if it was in fact a virus with an origin in horseshoe bats, how did it make its way into humans from creatures living hundreds of miles away in remote caves?


Because it didn't?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18843 on: June 12, 2023, 12:47:24 PM »
I laid out a possibility that strikes me as reasonably probable.

 

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