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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18116 on: August 20, 2022, 09:12:57 AM »
I still think if an infectious person wears a mask it cuts down on the odds of infecting someone else nearby.  It's likely a modest, but real effect, 20% or something like that.
I don't think this is true, at all.  Not with the current strain.  Not for cloth or surgical masks.  The virus passes easily through those masks during the course of normal breathing, and if you're within 6 feet for 15 minutes or more, the saturation of viral load leads to inevitable consequences.

N95 masks are something else, but almost nobody is wearing those.  And if everyone in the country all of a sudden had to wear one, there wouldn't be enough to last a week or two.

Fortunately, the current strain is also very mild in its symptoms, which was not unexpected as the potential path of mutation.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18117 on: August 20, 2022, 09:13:09 AM »
The virus goes right through a mask that is not made from a solid. It doesn't care about masks.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18118 on: August 20, 2022, 09:19:52 AM »
The virus itself is not what is transmitted,  it has to come in droplets.  Any mask will attenuate passage of droplets.

I view this as a pretty simple observation personally.  This is why we cover our mouth with our hand if we cough or sneeze.  Obviously that is marginally effective, but I'm certain it reduces chances of speading something by a smallish amount.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18119 on: August 20, 2022, 10:20:24 AM »
If you're suggesting that masks are effective as spit catchers I will certainly agree.

If you're asserting that aerosolized droplets containing coronavirus are too large to pass through a cloth mask or surgical mask, the evidence is strongly contradictory.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18120 on: August 20, 2022, 01:54:05 PM »
Filtration is a fairly involved "science", and particles smaller than the holes in a filter do get entrapped often as not.  Other factors are important beyond "interception'.

When someone sneezes, you can see the droplets coming out of their mouths.  A cloth mask clearly knocks these down.  Is it perfect?  No, of course not, but they do some.  I just don't  understand the notion that a mask is 100.0000% ineffective.  It's contrary to a number of studies I've seen, but mostly just common sense, to me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18121 on: August 20, 2022, 02:00:17 PM »
It's a matter of time, distance, and saturation/tipping point of the viral load.  There's a certain point where enough of the virus has escaped the infected's mouth and nose, and built up around him, that exposure is inevitable.

Spend 15 minutes within 6 feet of even a person that's wearing a cloth or surgical mask, and you are within a cloud of virus that has escaped the mask and has reached a saturation level sufficient to infect you.

The virologists have been very clear on this time/distance calculation for over two years now.  The masks are irrelevant at that time/distance.  It's a cloud in the air around an infected person. The evidence confirms this, especially with the most recent strain.  Scores of thousands of people are being infected regardless of mask wearage.  Both my son and daughter were, at school.  My wife was, at work.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18122 on: August 20, 2022, 02:04:16 PM »
What about exposure on say an elevator for less than a minute?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18123 on: August 20, 2022, 02:07:24 PM »
What about exposure on say an elevator for less than a minute?
Virologists say this is an unlikely scenario for transmission. 

Now if you were both unmasked and an infected person spit into your mouth on an elevator, I'd think the chances of transmission would increase.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18124 on: August 20, 2022, 02:18:29 PM »
How effective is a mask in preventing COVID‐19 infection? - Wang - 2021 - MEDICAL DEVICES & SENSORS - Wiley Online Library
How effective is a mask in preventing COVID‐19 infection? - Wang - 2021 - MEDICAL DEVICES & SENSORS - Wiley Online Library

Nearly everything I've read says masks have at least some level of effectivess.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18125 on: August 20, 2022, 03:35:37 PM »
I've seen numerous occurrences of masks not preventing infection when space was close and duration > 15 minutes.  Which is exactly how we've been told this thing spreads for the past 2.5 years.

You can continue to believe in the effectiveness of masks if you want.  I don't.  Time and distance are what matters.

In fact, the sole reason I got COVID from my wife, is because her mask and her patient's mask failed to stop the transmission a few days earlier.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18126 on: August 20, 2022, 03:45:20 PM »
And my position continues to be that masks are somewhat effective.  And that position is consistent with any number of credible studies on masking.

That said, I have not worn one in months myself.  At this point, I'm not a "believer" is masking.  But I do think they are somewhat effective.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18127 on: August 20, 2022, 03:55:19 PM »
If they're not going to stop my kids from getting it at school and they're not going to stop my wife from getting it at the office, then I can't consider them "effective."  Not even partially effective.  They failed utterly and completely to do, what they were intended to do.

At this point any further masking requirement is silly and is more about virtue signaling than health.

But like I said before, if for some reason our schools started requiring them again, my kids would be fine with it.   They'll manage.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18128 on: August 20, 2022, 04:32:21 PM »
It's about statistics, which are important when considering public health overall.  If masks are roughly 20% effective, it means also they fail 80% of the time, which is not all that impressive until you run the numbers.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18129 on: August 20, 2022, 04:34:37 PM »
I see no evidence they've been 20% effective.  Their failure rate is 100%.


 

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