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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14056 on: June 11, 2021, 09:01:25 AM »
why take the chance, just roll up your sleeve

it's quick, easy and inexpensive
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14057 on: June 11, 2021, 09:02:56 AM »
Cleveland Clinic released a study yesterday saying a vaccine is not needed for those who had it.

BUT

They went on to state that they recommend it regardless.

Study: No previously infected Cleveland Clinic employees who remained unvaccinated were reinfected (news5cleveland.com)


I don't see any benefit to not getting the shots. There is nothing to lose either way.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14058 on: June 11, 2021, 09:28:21 AM »
My kid who had it went for the JNJ option, one and done.  That might be the right choice.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14059 on: June 11, 2021, 11:18:07 AM »
Both of my in-laws had COVID back in December, and they were both chomping at the bit to get vaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14060 on: June 11, 2021, 12:56:01 PM »
I read somewhere that they think the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are the ones that are likely to be most effective against variants, just based on their nature.  The J&J one was expected to be less versatile.  

Of course, I'm not a doctor, virologist, or epidemiologist.  I just read that a while back and it made sense, intuitively.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14061 on: June 11, 2021, 12:57:11 PM »
Siouxland District Health ends COVID reporting: 'There was always going to be a stopping point'

a county of roughly 100,000
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14062 on: June 11, 2021, 12:57:43 PM »
Yeah, if they target that spike protein and that remains in variants, mRNA should work.

I think.  I'm not a viro guy dude either.  
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« Reply #14063 on: June 11, 2021, 01:01:27 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 05, 2021, 03:44:13 PM
The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020 | Cardiology | JAMA | JAMA Network


IF we assume this has about run its course, did it end up being better, worse, or about what you expected a year ago this time?

I'd say about as I expected, the death toll in the US climbed higher than forecast.  We had some sports, which I think helped.

We got vaccines in record time that appear to being arresting it.  Suicides did not go up, which perhaps is a bit of a surprise.  Most stuff is open and there is an air of normalcy here now.

It could have been worse, really, especially if some variant took hold that was more lethal.  (I know the trend usually is opposite that.)


from your question back on the 5th........  I answered worse, but I didn't know what to expect

my question:: what about the national economy and your local economy?

my answer to that, the economy survived quite a bit better than I feared.  Certainly here in Iowa locally
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14064 on: June 11, 2021, 01:11:59 PM »
It's tough for me to say how the economy fared here.  Many of my favorite restaurants closed permanently.  A handful of new ones opened.

Many of the movie theaters will end up closing permanently.  I don't know if any new ones will open up.

Many bars closed permanently.  I suspect they'll be replaced eventually.

But even when new businesses open, there's no way to quantify the extreme losses in life savings/life's work that were lost when the old ones closed permanently.  There's been a massive loss of wealth among small business owners over the past 15 months, and we won't know the full extent for years or decades even.

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« Reply #14065 on: June 11, 2021, 01:20:40 PM »
small economy here

not too many places have closed permanently

some that stated they were closing permanently have reopened

none of my favorite places are closed today

very lucky
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14066 on: June 11, 2021, 01:31:20 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on June 11, 2021, 12:56:01 PM
I read somewhere that they think the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are the ones that are likely to be most effective against variants, just based on their nature.  The J&J one was expected to be less versatile. 

Of course, I'm not a doctor, virologist, or epidemiologist.  I just read that a while back and it made sense, intuitively.
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2021, 12:57:43 PM
Yeah, if they target that spike protein and that remains in variants, mRNA should work.

I think.  I'm not a viro guy dude either. 
I thought that after the last year, we're all virologists and epidemiologists now?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14067 on: June 11, 2021, 01:40:20 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on June 11, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
It's tough for me to say how the economy fared here.  Many of my favorite restaurants closed permanently.  A handful of new ones opened.

Many of the movie theaters will end up closing permanently.  I don't know if any new ones will open up.

Many bars closed permanently.  I suspect they'll be replaced eventually.

But even when new businesses open, there's no way to quantify the extreme losses in life savings/life's work that were lost when the old ones closed permanently.  There's been a massive loss of wealth among small business owners over the past 15 months, and we won't know the full extent for years or decades even.


Nothing closed around here. But man, when I was up in the Chicago area last month... Lots of places are just flat gone.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14068 on: June 11, 2021, 01:41:31 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2021, 08:47:02 AM

Two passengers from the United States who shared a room on board Celebrity Cruises' Celebrity Millennium ship, which was billed as only carrying fully vaccinated passengers and crew, have tested positive for COVID-19, the cruise line said in a statement.

The tests came back positive during end-of-cruise testing, which is completed 72 hours before returning to the U.S., Celebrity Cruises spokesperson Jonathon Fishman told USA TODAY.

All passengers were required to show proof of vaccination in addition to a negative COVID-19 test within a 72-hour period before the ship departed from the Caribbean island of St. Maarten Saturday.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/06/10/passengers-positive-covid-after-sailing-100-vaccinated-cruise/7645511002/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14069 on: June 11, 2021, 01:46:07 PM »
Well, there certainly are fake cards out there. 
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