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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12278 on: February 04, 2021, 11:14:23 AM »
OK. I'm all in. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12279 on: February 04, 2021, 11:21:35 AM »
OK. I'm all in.
if we keep administering vaccines at 1.3 million each day we will start reaching herd immunity by May or June
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12280 on: February 04, 2021, 11:25:12 AM »
If producing a vaccine that quickly was something we can just routinely do, then why don't we do it all the time?
It's not routine at all. 

That's like asking if Usain Bolt can run a 100m race in 10 seconds, why can't he run a 400m race in 40 seconds and a 5K in 500 seconds?

The FDA has a LOT going on at any given point. They have a queue of a ton of different medicines, vaccines, etc under review all the time. There's various bureaucracy and check points in the process, things have to wait their turn, and all in all it can take a while. 

For this, my understanding is that no "corners were cut" regarding safety protocols and testing. What sped it through so quickly is that ALL of the queuing and process delays which would normally be there is what was cut. It got put as priority #1 on the FDA review list, ahead of anything else in the queue. 

That's how it got through so quickly. It got pushed to the front of the line ahead of anything else, which is only done in extreme circumstances (such as a worldwide pandemic that has killed >450K Americans). 

BTW on top of that, one of the advantages of this type of vaccine is that the mRNA concept by itself carries certain lower risks than other vaccines. Traditional vaccines often use attenuated or dead virus cells, and those cells often need to be grown in a lab. This carries a risk because there's a chance you can actually contract the disease from the vaccine if something goes wrong--that's impossible with this design. In addition, it doesn't need to be "grown" in living cells, so there's another benefit for production. That's why they said that they had the vaccine produced for testing within something like a week to a month from having the virus DNA sequenced. 

So we can't just "routinely" do something like this... 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12281 on: February 04, 2021, 11:31:48 AM »
Very good explaination.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12282 on: February 04, 2021, 11:56:18 AM »
We could "routinely" do one treatment that way of course, but everything else would be delayed as a result.

I'm hopeful the mRNA approach will be more broadly used.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12283 on: February 04, 2021, 03:49:22 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12285 on: February 04, 2021, 06:08:15 PM »
Well, no, I'm not.  They were under trial conditions.  Are they in the field?  We don't know.

Beyond that, are they as effective against the mutated strains?  Some early signs are positive, but we don't know, and won't know, for a while.

Beyond that, even if they're effective against the current mutated strains, are they effective against the next set of mutated strains?  We certainly don't know that, and we won't know that, for months/years.

So yeah, it's kinda like trying to go for the victory dunk with 3 minutes gone in the first period.
This only scratches the surface of what we don’t know about this experimental vaccine. 

Short term outcomes for the last attempt at a coronavirus vaccine were allegedly good too, but the mid and long term were very bad. 

There are questions to be answered about long term side effects, fertility, duration of efficacy and on and on.  Also/ there is no proof it slows transmission- only hope. This is huge. 

there obviously has not been enough time and experience to test all this.

The trouble is already brewing- as many people look at the survival rates for Covid- and are not compelled to take what could be a greater risk of the vaccine.  There are corporate and political conversations already out there about making it mandatory for an employee, or for air travel. 

This will get ugly and unfortunately already political.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12286 on: February 05, 2021, 08:59:01 AM »
It got politicized immediately, and polarizing.

Just what the CCP wanted.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12287 on: February 05, 2021, 09:27:44 AM »
The best vaccine news is that they all appear to keep everyone out of the hospital.

If this can be downgraded to a cold type illness, we're in good shape, even if folks contract it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12288 on: February 05, 2021, 10:25:18 AM »
The latest news is Johnson & Johnson is coming out with a 1 shot only vaccine they have asked for

emergency passage from the FDA
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12289 on: February 05, 2021, 10:41:52 AM »
We need AstraZeneca to gain approval here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12290 on: February 05, 2021, 10:50:46 AM »
I still find these "waves" very peculiar.  Georgia continues to drop fast in every category from the recent peak.

Bump in March, larger bump in late July that faded, and then double that bump in Dec/Jan that peaked Jan. 12, now down 50% in less than a month.

Holiday transmissions?  Maybe.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12291 on: February 05, 2021, 11:22:48 AM »
The latest news is Johnson & Johnson is coming out with a 1 shot only vaccine they have asked for

emergency passage from the FDA
I had heard that the effectiveness of the J&J was significantly lower than Pfizer and Moderna. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/04/johnson-johnson-requests-fda-authorization-its-covid-19-vaccine/4331329001/

While more options are a good thing, I'd rather wait for Moderna than rush to get the J&J.

 

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