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Mdot21

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #462 on: December 04, 2023, 04:12:59 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 02:35:18 PM
Like I said, if FSU had Georgia or Michigan's OOC resume, I'd be fine with it.  At that point you are just punishing Alabama for playing a good OOC team.  So I agree with you.  But if play LSU (neutral) and Florida (road), I don't see how that's not a top 4 resume.
100%. FSU basically just proved Michigan right in that it makes the most sense to play only cupcake OOC games. FSU played two big-time helmet-ish SEC programs away from Tallahassee, won both games handedly, and basically got nothing to show for it. 

FSU straight up got fcking screwed.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #463 on: December 04, 2023, 04:15:25 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 04, 2023, 04:12:42 PM
So have we decided that the CFP participants WERE selected with the idea of television rating desirability in mind?

Because a week ago I was assured by this message board that the committee was completely disconnected from any motivations associated with television ratings...
it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.

BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #464 on: December 04, 2023, 04:16:02 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 04, 2023, 04:12:59 PM
100%. FSU basically just proved Michigan right in that it makes the most sense to play only cupcake OOC games. FSU played two big-time helmet-ish SEC programs away from Tallahassee, won both games handedly, and basically got nothing to show for it.

FSU straight up got fcking screwed.
conversely, bama proved opposite. schedule and played a tough, good ooc team, and wasn't punished for it.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #465 on: December 04, 2023, 04:17:43 PM »
Quote from: rook119 on December 04, 2023, 04:03:07 PM
It really was the easiest selection ever. It didn't require eyeball tests, advanced metrics, some made up stupid formula written down by a blogger or anything.  3 undefeated teams, all w/ decent schedules w/ the 11-1 team winning their conference and beating the other conference winner.
should've been the easiest ever, and they blew it....oh well. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #466 on: December 04, 2023, 04:17:54 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 04, 2023, 04:05:06 PM
Lots of other ways to do SOS and resume'.

Straight SOS via your team's W/L and the W/L of your opponents  (removing FCS of course).

Wins over number of teams with winning records.

Wins over number of teams that are bowl-bound.

All are objective without requiring statistical calculation using a poor data set.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #467 on: December 04, 2023, 04:18:31 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 04:16:02 PM
conversely, bama proved opposite. schedule and played a tough, good ooc team, and wasn't punished for it.
But be in the conference that the network that paid billions to televise their games and the CFP are in

If FSU, Clemson, UNC, and whatever lucky other teams weren't jumping before, they sure as hell are now
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #468 on: December 04, 2023, 04:19:19 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 04, 2023, 04:15:25 PM
it's all about tv ratings and the $$$$$ those ratings bring in. it's all this whore-ish sport has become honestly.

BAMA, Texas, and Michigan are probably 3 of the top 5 biggest tv draws along with Ohio State and ND. Would've been the TV execs wet dream if OSU or ND had been one of the 4 teams instead of Washington.
i won't argue much cause i genuinely don't know.

is bama that much of a bigger draw over an undefeated fsu? they're a top 10-15 program all time.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #469 on: December 04, 2023, 04:21:57 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 04:19:19 PM
i won't argue much cause i genuinely don't know.

is bama that much of a bigger draw over an undefeated fsu? they're a top 10-15 program all time.
All time?  They are like on par with MSU.  Past 30 years, for sure.  But they are still the 2nd best draw in their own state.  Alabama, Texas and Michigan are 3 of the top 5 draws in the sport.  Plus its on NYD, so people are at home, not at bars, like when its NYE, and I think the numbers are going to blow every other CFP away
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #470 on: December 04, 2023, 04:22:47 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 04:18:31 PM
But be in the conference that the network that paid billions to televise their games and the CFP are in

If FSU, Clemson, UNC, and whatever lucky other teams weren't jumping before, they sure as hell are now
don't acc have tv deal with espn too?

i mean i get why fsu/clemson/etc would want to jump, but explain to me why espn cares if it's acc vs sec when they have both deals?

i would get wanting bama over fsu, if it's a big enough difference. i'm not certain it is, but i could be wrong. other than that, i don't get why espn cares. they already have both.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #471 on: December 04, 2023, 04:24:28 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 04:21:57 PM
All time?  They are like on par with MSU.  Past 30 years, for sure.  But they are still the 2nd best draw in their own state.  Alabama, Texas and Michigan are 3 of the top 5 draws in the sport.  Plus its on NYD, so people are at home, not at bars, like when its NYE, and I think the numbers are going to blow every other CFP away
today, when asked top programs, vast majority of fans will have fsu around the 10-15 range. am i wrong on that?

you don't think an undefeated fsu vs mich has a similar vibe and draw? maybe i'm wrong, but i get feeling people have a ton of respect for fsu as a program and would watch a major matchup like that, just like bama/mich. maybe slightly less, but not materially. maybe i'm too close to fsu country and its skewing my view.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #472 on: December 04, 2023, 04:27:23 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 04:24:28 PM
today, when asked top programs, vast majority of fans will have fsu around the 10-15 range. am i wrong on that?
Ask Jimbo.

But sure, based on accomplishments.  Based on fan base, no.  Just like how Alabama, Texas and Michigan are still draws when they are down.  It's not simply how good the program.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #473 on: December 04, 2023, 04:36:14 PM »
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #474 on: December 04, 2023, 04:41:04 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 04, 2023, 04:12:42 PM
So have we decided that the CFP participants WERE selected with the idea of television rating desirability in mind?

Because a week ago I was assured by this message board that the committee was completely disconnected from any motivations associated with television ratings...
Not sure about TV. …..

But I was one of the naïve ones who thought that because this was the easiest year to pick the four teams, they would simply follow the same rules they always claim to follow.  I didn’t think they would have the audacity to kick out an undefeated conference champion. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #475 on: December 04, 2023, 04:43:32 PM »
check the ACC's deal with ESPN compared to the SEC's deal

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