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Topic: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #420 on: December 04, 2023, 02:32:47 PM »
people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.

it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.
I'm not mad at Bama. I'm mad at the CFP committee. I think they f-ed the wrong team.

Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year. 

But it's still anger at the CFP committee, not at Bama.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #421 on: December 04, 2023, 02:35:18 PM »
best resume is subjective too, btw. i happened to agree undefeated p5 is better, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued. depends on what you value.
Like I said, if FSU had Georgia or Michigan's OOC resume, I'd be fine with it.  At that point you are just punishing Alabama for playing a good OOC team.  So I agree with you.  But if play LSU (neutral) and Florida (road), I don't see how that's not a top 4 resume.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #422 on: December 04, 2023, 02:37:48 PM »
Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new.  It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning.  Once Georgia lost, that was out the window.

I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges.  Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange.  Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange.  So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.

#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it
outside of the controversy...

i think there's still a lot of good story lines for the rose. bama has a ton of history with the rose bowl, and is only 2 wins shy of washington and 3 from michigan in all tie rose bowl wins.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #423 on: December 04, 2023, 02:38:07 PM »
Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.
Yes and no. 
  • With two teams the argument would have been between Washington and FSU for the second spot.  
  • With four teams the argument is between Bama and FSU for the fourth spot.  
  • With eight teams there isn't much of an argument, it would just be the seven undefeated and 1-loss P5's and the G5.  
  • With 12 teams the argument would be between Ole Miss and Oklahoma for the 12th spot.  

There will always be an argument but I don't think people outside of Mississippi and Oklahoma would care much about the Ole Miss/OU question because none of us think that either of them would have a chance anyway so who cares?  It is different when you are arguing about the 2nd or 4th team because there are teams in that group that just might win it all.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #424 on: December 04, 2023, 02:38:41 PM »
I'm not mad at Bama. I'm mad at the CFP committee. I think they f-ed the wrong team.

Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year.

But it's still anger at the CFP committee, not at Bama.
that's where is should be. i won't even disagree.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #425 on: December 04, 2023, 02:38:45 PM »
I think they got it right, the four best teams at the moment.  


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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #426 on: December 04, 2023, 02:40:19 PM »
me too
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #427 on: December 04, 2023, 02:40:22 PM »
Yes and no. 
  • With two teams the argument would have been between Washington and FSU for the second spot. 
  • With four teams the argument is between Bama and FSU for the fourth spot. 
  • With eight teams there isn't much of an argument, it would just be the seven undefeated and 1-loss P5's and the G5. 
  • With 12 teams the argument would be between Ole Miss and Oklahoma for the 12th spot. 

There will always be an argument but I don't think people outside of Mississippi and Oklahoma would care much about the Ole Miss/OU question because none of us think that either of them would have a chance anyway so who cares?  It is different when you are arguing about the 2nd or 4th team because there are teams in that group that just might win it all. 
As it stands today, the top SIX conference champions get in the mix.  I don't know if that changes, but it would be bizarre if it doesn't.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #428 on: December 04, 2023, 02:42:50 PM »
You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar.  Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?
No. 


for the first time ever- there were 3 undefeated conference Champs.  PAC, Big, and ACC. 

5 power conferences but only 4 spots.  The first 3 should be automatic- they are undefeated. 

The last spot was also 2 conf champs to pick from- both at 12-1.  Easy this year because they played each other.  Texas won on Bama’s field. 

Should have been the perfect year for the committee to just use results- easy. 

But instead they decided to prognosticate the future instead of looking at results. 

Nobody credibly buts this BS about FSU QB being injured. Because nobody believes that, let’s say Georgia or Michigan for example, would have been left out for the same reason. 

But they wanted the SEC in there, so they prognosticated and contrived a reason. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #429 on: December 04, 2023, 02:43:25 PM »
Admittedly, there's a TINY bit of me that feels like the pecking order is that the CFP rarely f's Bama--they get the benefit of the doubt at every turn while it seems like everyone else has to clear a higher bar than Bama every year.
Bama has earned some of this by their play on the field the past 5 seasons, 10 seasons.
Playing in the top conference, number of wins, number of conference titles, number of playoff wins, number of national titles.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #430 on: December 04, 2023, 02:44:09 PM »
Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.
No, next year is going to be boring. Top 6 conference champs automatically get in, and then you have 6 at-large selections. 

This year is bad because whether the #5 team is Bama or the #5 team is FSU, both have a REALLY strong argument for inclusion. I think when we get to spot #12 vs spot #13, neither team* will have a really strong argument. This year it's Oklahoma (10-2, 3rd place in their conference overall and T-2nd in conference only record) and LSU (9-3, 3rd place in their division, and based on overall record 5th place in their conference, 3-way T-3rd in conference only record). The worst team will get multiple mulligans. 

There would ABSOLUTELY not be the same level of vitriol for who is the last spot in a 12-team playoff compared to a 4-team when one of the excluded teams is an undefeated P5 conference champ.

 * Looking at it, maybe it's Ole Miss vs OU since Liberty would jump the line, but either way it's the same thing.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #431 on: December 04, 2023, 02:45:15 PM »
But they wanted the SEC in there, so they prognosticated and contrived a reason.
ding, ding, ding!!!
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #432 on: December 04, 2023, 02:46:11 PM »
No, next year is going to be boring. Top 6 conference champs automatically get in, and then you have 6 at-large selections.

which 6 conferences?

Does the MAC or AAC get a spot?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #433 on: December 04, 2023, 02:48:15 PM »
which 6 conferences?

Does the MAC or AAC get a spot?
They said its the 6 highest ranked conference champions, and then the Pac 12 collapsed.  I hope they don't change it and drown in their own greed, by accidentally forcing two mid majors in

 

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