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Cincydawg · « **Reply #406 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:13:02 PM »

Every team has a blemish along the way. Sometimes it's a close miracle win, sometimes it's a loss. We all know why.

Next year is going to be crazy insane bizarre ridiculous.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #407 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:13:29 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 01:47:56 PM

This is why "best team" needs to end.

You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.

It should be the 4 best resumes

And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).

But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar

I would have been 100% in on that

You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?

rolltidefan · « **Reply #408 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:14:48 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 02:10:34 PM

People aren't pissed at Bama fans. Hope it doesn't come across that way. I'm certainly ruffling feathers and it's not intended to be disrespectful to you and sorry if it is.

And your message above is so close. The difference is, there was one piece of cake left and the party planners gave it to the friend that buys more expensive presents that was second in line over the friend that brings cheaper presents but was first in line.

nah, this board is mostly fine. rest of the interwebs is losing their shit though, lol. lot of talking heads as well. but even this thread has a few talking points of hate toward bama that's unwarranted. like someone suggesting bama always gets benefit of doubt.

also, this fsu isn't that far removed from bama in cfb royalty. we aren't talking boise or other g5 or something. fsu vs bama tv draw and money draw cant be materially different.

ELA · « **Reply #409 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:16:31 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 02:04:20 PM

people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.

mich is an undefeated b1g champion.
washington is an undefeated pac champion.
fsu is an undefeated acc champion.
texas is a 1-loss bigxii champion.
bama is a 1-loss sec champion.

it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.

Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless

utee94 · « **Reply #410 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:16:55 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on December 04, 2023, 02:13:29 PM

You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?

Yeah I didn't really follow that one either?

And having Texas play Georgia in the SEC-owned Sugar Bowl doesn't sound exactly like the "perfect" CFP to me. Granted, we beat them the last time we played them there, but CD has assured me that Georgia didn't want to be there.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #411 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:18:59 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 02:16:31 PM

Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless

247 composite rankings include aTm. those aren't the 4 best teams, they're not the 4 most talented teams.

ELA · « **Reply #412 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:19:36 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on December 04, 2023, 02:13:29 PM

You lost me. It is the Big Ten Champ, the Pac 12 Champ, The SEC Champ and either Texas or FSU in the Sugar. Is your objection with the fact Mich is playing Alabama in the first game instead of Wash?

Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new. It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning. Once Georgia lost, that was out the window.

I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges. Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange. Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.

#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it

ELA · « **Reply #413 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:21:05 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 02:18:59 PM

247 composite rankings include aTm. those aren't the 4 best teams, they're not the 4 most talented teams.

Coaching matters. Getting the right bounces matters. I'm not arguing for that, I'm saying once you go "best" teams, you open yourself up to a world of stupid, and a world where results don't matter. It should be 4 best resumes, end of discussion

Cincydawg · « **Reply #414 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:21:35 PM »

I'd note that UGA scheduled to play at Oklahoma and at Georgia Tech OOC.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #415 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:24:13 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 02:16:31 PM

Nobody is pissed at Alabama fans. If FSU had scheduled an OOC like Georgia or Michigan, I'd be fine with it. They scheduled 2 SEC teams as OOC opponents, then ran the table in a P5 conference. They literally could not have done anything more. Like I said, if you aren't judging by resume, then just put in the 247 composite rankings. Those are the 4 best teams. The games are meaningless

also, i didn't say bama fans, i said bama. like bama, the team, isn't deserving. 12-1 sec champs, most top 25 wins, most top 15 wins.

this does NOT refute anything about the other 4 also being deserving. someone deserving was going to get left out. i thought it'd be bama. i even agree with some of the arguments. but those aren't the ONLY arguments, and they also don't mean bama isn't deserving in their own right.

utee94 · « **Reply #416 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:25:31 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on December 04, 2023, 02:21:35 PM

I'd note that UGA scheduled to play at Oklahoma and at Georgia Tech OOC.

Yeah I don't blame Georgia for trying to duck good competition, they were forced to reschedule due to circumstances beyond their control. If the Texas-Alabama series had been one year later, same thing would have happened.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #417 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:28:11 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 03, 2023, 09:48:39 PM

As I understand the 12-team model we are going to next year (correct me if I'm wrong) the teams would be:

#1 Michigan B1G Champion
#2 Washington, P12 Champion
#3 Texas, B12 Champion
#4 Bama, SEC Champion
#5 FSU, ACC Champion
#6 Georgia, at-large
#7 Ohio State, at-large
#8 Oregon, at-large
#9 Mizzou, at-large
#10 Penn State, at-large
#11 Ole Miss, at-large
#23 Liberty, whatever league they are in

I was thinking about this and with the 12-team model and auto-bids coming next year I think it is a mistake for the league to eliminate divisions.

Consider this season, going into CG weekend the B1G had the following relevant teams:

#2 Michigan 12-0
#6 Ohio State 11-1
#10 Penn State 10-2
#16 Iowa 10-2

In a 12-team model, Michigan playing Iowa is actually ideal. Ohio State and Penn State are in and there are benefits to either result of the M/Iowa game:

If Iowa wins they get an auto-bid and the league puts four teams in the playoff. **
If Michigan wins they finish top-4 and get a bye.

If Michigan plays Ohio State again not much good can come of it for the league as a whole:

A Michigan win confirms their top-4 status and bye but might knock Ohio State out. Also, if Ohio State had lost another game then a second loss to Michigan to drop them to 10-3 would almost certainly knock them out except that makes no sense since they'd still have had the same regular season record and a H2H win over PSU. Functionally the league might wind up knocking out it's own second best team.
An Ohio State win probably isn't enough to get the Buckeyes to the top-4 so both tOSU and M finish 12-1 and neither of them gets a top-4 slot with a bye. Instead the league as a whole gets three teams (tOSU, M, PSU) between #5-8.

**My theory here using this year as the example but with a 12-team playoff with auto-bids. Assuming Iowa knocks off Michigan I think the playoff teams would be:

#1 Washington, P12 Champion
#2 Texas, B12 Champion
#3 Bama, SEC Champion
#4 FSU, ACC Champion
#5 UGA, at-large
#6 Michigan, at-large
#7 Ohio State, at-large
#8 Oregon, at-large
#9 Mizzou, at-large
#10 Penn State, at-large
#11 Iowa, B1G Champion
#23 Liberty, G5

So the games would be:

Liberty at Georgia
Iowa at Michigan
Penn State at Ohio State
Mizzou at Oregon

Followed by:

Liberty/UGA vs FSU
Iowa/M vs Bama
PSU/tOSU vs Texas
Mizzou/Oregon vs Washington

longhorn320 · « **Reply #418 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:28:51 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 02:19:36 PM

Just that it would have been the perfect confluence of old and new. It would have been a Rose and Sugar Bowl that both felt real, and had meaning.

I always wanted a lightly seeded playoff where you had the 5 P5 champs, best Group of 5 team, and 2 best at larges. Big 10 champ vs. Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC Champ to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, ACC to the Orange. Then you seed the other 3 and place them appropriately into the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. So you get 4 real bowl games, then a seeded 4 team playoff.

#1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in the quarterfinals, so be it

I think the main reason Texas was not matched with Alabama in the first game was the fact weve already played each other and I can see that

I wish we could have played Mich instead cause I dont think Mich will beat Alabama and would like to play them assuming of course Texas can beat Wash which is far from a given

rolltidefan · « **Reply #419 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:30:20 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 02:21:05 PM

Coaching matters. Getting the right bounces matters. I'm not arguing for that, I'm saying once you go "best" teams, you open yourself up to a world of stupid, and a world where results don't matter. It should be 4 best resumes, end of discussion

truth is it's some combination of best team and best resume. you have to have a comparable resume to be considered, but if there's more than 4, then of those considered, who are the best teams?

best resume is subjective too, btw. i happened to agree undefeated p5 is better, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued. depends on what you value.

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